Bonus -- advantage play -- etc.

[KasinoKing]

Btw, on the most Microgaming Casinos you can withdraw your Cash-Balance on every time, so you must not fullfill the Wagering Requirement before you can cash-out your wins and that's really fair!

This was too fair for the players, so it turned out - most MG casinos now require the full WR to be met before cashing out in the case of first deposit bonuses.

But it is still OK at most for follow-on bonuses!

KK

[lojo]

Exactly, bonus abuse(fraud may be a different issue but in most cases it is simply poor operations management) as well as B&M casino abuse of not only advantage players but casino patron winners((99.9% fall into the other category and thus have no idea of what the first line in Nersesian's book means as it reads "Nevada hates you")) also is nothing more than 100% mistreatment of players/patrons. At least the Nevada Supreme Courts have commenced recognizing a patrons constitutional rights in the last few years. Who recognizes an online player's rights?????

Stanford is very familiar with Mr.Nersesian and can probably state my point in a better fashion

Your point is clear and I hear ya.
I've never heard of the abuse of regular patrons who win I've only been pampered so I'd stick around and give it back... you're scaring me a little... is it cases where they mistakenly thought someone was advantage playing? I think I'll stick to slots and roulette. If Mandalay and the Venetian and other 'high-end' places act like a downtown joint in the sixties, I don't want to mess with it.

edit: At least we have CasinoMeister to look out for us.
Stanford here is Stanford? Wow that 'smily' is too small

[aka23]

Btw, on the most Microgaming Casinos you can withdraw your Cash-Balance on every time, so you must not fullfill the Wagering Requirement before you can cash-out your wins and that's really fair!

Here is an example for you: http://www.rubyfortune.com/bonusaccount/

This was too fair for the players, so it turned out - most MG casinos now require the full WR to be met before cashing out in the case of first deposit bonuses.

But it is still OK at most for follow-on bonuses!

KK

By my count:
33 offer Clearplay/eZ or sticky sign-up bonuses with early withdrawal allowed

8 offer Clearplay/eZ sign-up bonuses with a minimum of 100 bets before cashing out

1 offers a unique bonus with 10 bets required before cashing out

27 offer Clearplay/eZ sign-up bonuses with the full required playthrough

15 offer cashable bonuses with required playthrough

If you include cashables as required playthrough and 10/100 bets as early withdrawal allowed, then exactly half of the MG sign-up bonuses have required playthrough, and exactly half allow you to cash out early.

[oldtrvlagt]

lojo...I couldn't cash out because the playthrough was 25 or 30 times bonus plus deposit (I can't remember but it was a lot). When I first started playing at Club Player and Cirrus I was cashing out a lot. They've tightened things up a bit to say the least!

[NASHVEGAS]

Your point is clear and I hear ya.
I've never heard of the abuse of regular patrons who win I've only been pampered so I'd stick around and give it back... you're scaring me a little... is it cases where they mistakenly thought someone was advantage playing? I think I'll stick to slots and roulette. If Mandalay and the Venetian and other 'high-end' places act like a downtown joint in the sixties, I don't want to mess with it.

Google,Amazon has some reviews,Rod Smith of the LasVegas Review Journal has exposed locally,CM Mall has the book which is based on actual cases-----------I spent 65 DAYS(3 trips) in 6 months in 2005 and w/o going into dollar handle details over this period with the exception of the fact I had their money, I really think my incidents would not have occured if I would have visited for 3 or 4 days instead of 3 weeks at a time if you get my drift.....a visitor on a normal length vacation has no problems so go enjoy sin city.

[lojo]

Thanks, I was just wondering if there was hidden term about lifetime bonuses being deducted from any payouts. I'm about to the point of paranoi and reading things into T&C that aren't there. really is time for me to quit playing bonuses.

[lojo]

Google,Amazon has some reviews,Rod Smith of the LasVegas Review Journal has exposed locally,CM Mall has the book which is based on actual cases-----------I spent 65 DAYS(3 trips) in 6 months in 2005 and w/o going into dollar handle details over this period with the exception of the fact I had their money, I really think my incidents would not have occured if I would have visited for 3 or 4 days instead of 3 weeks at a time if you get my drift.....a visitor on a normal length vacation has no problems so go enjoy sin city.

OMG you must have nerves of steel! I start to imagine the sharks circling and bounce from casino to casino on my short junkets (which is why I have no comps to speak of in vegas I guess

I'm kind of paranoid but it is the edginess of downtown that attracts me there. We usually put up in one of the nicer places then work our way down to the Venetian and cab downtown from there. ramble.

Thanks for the ref to books, etc.

[NASHVEGAS]

edit: At least we have CasinoMeister to look out for us.
Stanford here is Stanford? Wow that 'smily' is too small

I did not say Stanford of the forum but Stanford Wong in your post was to whom I was referring. Stanford of the forum posted he was not Stanford Wong but I like to gamble and I bet the great posts by Stanford indicate to me who Stanford the poster is but you never know on the net do u?

[Avatar73]

Although any sensible and restrained bonus advantage player could take most bonuses, ie sign up, win some, and leave, i think it is still in the casino's interest to pay out.
They may lose quite a few small amounts to bonus players, but undoubtedly some bonus players will lost, and it only takes one high-roller to be attracted by a bonus, continue playing and make the inevitable loss, and already they've made a killing.
Technically you could think that you dont make off with the casinos money, but with some other unfortunate persons :P

[lojo]

I did not say Stanford of the forum but Stanford Wong in your post was to whom I was referring. Stanford of the forum posted he was not Stanford Wong but I like to gamble and I bet the great posts by Stanford indicate to me who Stanford the poster is but you never know on the net do u?

Sorry 'bout that.

Yip, you just never know.