insider's tips - for non US players

[jerrylee]

Alright guys, including you in the peanut gallery who've been critical of my recent posts, it's time for me to contribute with some insider's tips to all you non US players.

Bryan talks about some of these tips so much of it is review. But for those who are still wondering why their accounts get locked for seemingly "frivolous reasons", pay attention. Some tips on how to keep your noses clean.

1.do not share electronic wallet accounts with other players, i.e. money bookers, click2pay, etc. this includes having your friend deposit funds from his money bookers account to your casino account, cashing out to his money bookers account from your player account and otherwise sharing funds that are not your own

2. do not share credit cards with someone, same applies as point 1. doesn't matter if you want to lend your over 18 son your card just to try, the casino will flag the transaction and will likely lock both accounts

3. IP address: if you register your account in the UK, connect from Mexico and travel to Syria, expect to get your acccount flagged. if you're travelling to the US, where many casino accounts are now closed anyway, tell the casino in advance

4. poker tips: watch your chat, other players are liable to report you even if you're not colluding. it's stiff competition out there and even while their suspicions are unfounded, other players are always looking to cut others down. who knows, maybe your account will be audited and locked for
an unrelated issue. poker rooms love snitches, makes their job easier

5. casino: don't deposit and withdraw the same day. act like you're there to stay. you want to be branded as a bonus abuser and be made to jump through hoops. play some slots even if you love video poker

6. remain polite with CS staff. even if you're sure you're convinced you're
right and their policies are archaic, if you set them off, that's more chance your account will be locked or otherwise flagged for future audits

7. don't submit a false claim that someone created an account without your knowledge, your underage toddler did it or you never gambled in your life..if you know you're guilty. worse still, if you try to pass off a doctored document, the casino can use it against you in a dispute, possibly even show your credit card company you tried to committ fraud.

8. offer to prove your identity from the start, not after you hit the big win. don't give them reason to stall or deny your withdrawal

[gerilege]

I think you have posted with good intention, but your statements have some “side-effects”.

1.do not share electronic wallet accounts with other players, i.e. money bookers, click2pay, etc. this includes having your friend deposit funds from his money bookers account to your casino account, cashing out to his money bookers account from your player account and otherwise sharing funds that are not your own

2. do not share credit cards with someone, same applies as point 1. doesn't matter if you want to lend your over 18 son your card just to try, the casino will flag the transaction and will likely lock both accounts

7. don't submit a false claim that someone created an account without your knowledge, your underage toddler did it or you never gambled in your life..if you know you're guilty. worse still, if you try to pass off a doctored document, the casino can use it against you in a dispute, possibly even show your credit card company you tried to committ fraud.

I can say with full confidence that regulars of this forum do not try to cheat. If somebody would like to cover his son's gaming expenses, and he is so stingy and stupid that he doesn't want to spend 70 cents for a moneybookers transfer between accounts, than that's his bad, and you can't help him with this post.

3. IP address: if you register your account in the UK, connect from Mexico and travel to Syria, expect to get your acccount flagged. if you're travelling to the US, where many casino accounts are now closed anyway, tell the casino in advance

You don't even have to leave your seat to unintentionally get an IP address that points to another country. Several European ISPs (the T-com group for instance) might issue you a foreign IP address, and most of their users will only be informed about the fact when a casino locks their account. And it's not so easy to explain the situation to a 1st level casino support member.

4. poker tips: watch your chat, other players are liable to report you even if you're not colluding. it's stiff competition out there and even while their suspicions are unfounded, other players are always looking to cut others down. who knows, maybe your account will be audited and locked for
an unrelated issue. poker rooms love snitches, makes their job easier

I have been playing low and medium limit online poker for 4 years, and I can only remember two unjustified cases in my wider surroundings. Generally speaking the opposite is true. Once I reported two stupid colluders (5 days a week they were sitting at the same table, and their nicks were something like cockyged and cockoged, very imaginative), and I had to send 3 emails and it took 3 weeks for the poker room even in this obvious case to make them disappear.

6. remain polite with CS staff. even if you're sure you're convinced you're
right and their policies are archaic, if you set them off, that's more chance your account will be locked or otherwise flagged for future audits

It depends on the casino, but generally this advice is not accurate. In many cases the casino will treat you as a weak opponent if you remain polite and silent. And in some cases you can only defend yourself if you do not remain polite.

8. offer to prove your identity from the start, not after you hit the big win. don't give them reason to stall or deny your withdrawal

Proving your identity is only a problem, when some of your emails containing identity proof are mysteriously “stucked by lottery balls” three times in a row. Interestingly all other emails you send arrive without problems.

[brianzz]

2. do not share credit cards with someone, same applies as point 1. doesn't matter if you want to lend your over 18 son your card just to try, the casino will flag the transaction and will likely lock both accounts

Microgaming casinos do not allow the same credit/debit card to be registered to different accounts. Each card is only allowed to be registered once per casino. Found this out when I screwed the pooch on my expiration date and had to have CS delete the whole card.

4. poker tips: watch your chat, other players are liable to report you even if you're not colluding. it's stiff competition out there and even while their suspicions are unfounded, other players are always looking to cut others down. who knows, maybe your account will be audited and locked for
an unrelated issue. poker rooms love snitches, makes their job easier

Not sure if you can prove this or not, poker is boring in person I can imagine it's a real coma online.

5. casino: don't deposit and withdraw the same day. act like you're there to stay. you want to be branded as a bonus abuser and be made to jump through hoops. play some slots even if you love video poker

Sorry, you or a casino or any helpful advice can or will tell me when I can and can't cash out, or what I can and can't play. Unless you're playing at RTG most likely you won't get a bonus to be labled a bonus abuser, and how could a casino even have the nerve to call someone a bonus abuser when they fill the inbox up everyday with promotions.

6. remain polite with CS staff. even if you're sure you're convinced you're
right and their policies are archaic, if you set them off, that's more chance your account will be locked or otherwise flagged for future audits

If CS reps are complete morons, you have all the right in the world to get smart with them and correct them and their slaughtering of the english language every chance you get.

8. offer to prove your identity from the start, not after you hit the big win. don't give them reason to stall or deny your withdrawal

Why give them something to email you or call you puzzled about? The correct advice here would be, after you win, send documents before they ask and in the email/live chat where you request your flush tell them you've sent them. 9 times out of 10 you're going to lose and document exchange isn't necessary.


Just my 2 cents worth, but thanks for encouraging and giving the cheaters tips. If you're not in the US just don't gamble, not until something better comes along, I was the hardest of hard hitters to internet casinos but I quit it cold turkey and I'm amazed at how much extra money I have laying around. Even take trips to B/M casinos and get real comps, real free rooms, real free drinks, real cash back and I'm playing a machine that's regulated by someone I can physically touch and I'll never be denied a cashout there. Now I'm starting to see that online casinos could never ever compete with a land based casino.

[aodat2]

7. don't submit a false claim that someone created an account without your knowledge, your underage toddler did it or you never gambled in your life..if you know you're guilty. worse still, if you try to pass off a doctored document, the casino can use it against you in a dispute, possibly even show your credit card company you tried to committ fraud.

Considering the fact that someone missed talking about this, I might as well do the honors. Haha...

How/Why would anyone make a doctored document? If they are wanting to withdraw or something from a Casino, I'm sure the Casino will definitely want a clear proof of an original copy of your documentations. I doubt that doctoring a document would do much help.

Furthermore, credit card companies will check your address + zip to see if it matches before saying yes or no to a transaction. So, doctoring a document sounds a little foolish to me. I'm sure you guys have seen many doctored docs for various reasons unknown to us. But as far as I know, doctoring a document is not easy and most of all, there's nothing much for your to change.

Sorry but I can't think of other reasons to do it.

[KasinoKing]

Alright guys, including you in the peanut gallery who've been critical of my recent posts, it's time for me to contribute with some insider's tips to all you non US players...

I don't understand why other posters are nit-picking your post - I thought it was all very good sensible advice for new/inexperienced players!

[brianzz]

new/inexperienced players!

There's inexperienced players here? Remember the original post came from an online casino employee

[gerilege]

I don't understand why other posters are nit-picking your post - I thought it was all very good sensible advice for new/inexperienced players!

Maybe I was indeed a bit rigorous. 3-6 are basically ok. In 1-2 I also feel the good intention, although they are so basic advices, that I don't find them very useful.

But 7 is so strange, and if you read the whole post and read between the lines, the same applies for 8. I had the feeling that the almighty casinos are so good and cooperative that you can only face problems if you doctor your documents, and all player complaints are related to a "false claim that someone created an account without your knowledge" or "if you know you're guilty".

I can't understand how could such an old forum member/webmaster like you find statements like "don't submit a false claim" and "if you try to pass off a doctored document" sensible advices for new/inexperienced players??? Would a new/inexperienced player doctor documents or submit a false claim? Never.

Why would someone give reason to deny his winnings only by providing the neccessary documentation after the first cashout if needed? This is nonsense. If a casino denies your winnings just because you only send your documentation after you have won, than that's a rogue casino, and "prove your identity from the start" would not help.

[soflat]

If I were new, some of the rules would probably scare me off from ever playing.

For example:
- be nice or the you risk getting audited?
- you have to check in with the casinos before traveling overseas?
- can't withdraw the same day without playing slots or they'll make you jump through hoops??

[mikepipe]

Definetely very good advice for unexperienced players!

[KasinoKing]

There's inexperienced players here?

Casinomeister is the number 1 gambling forum on the net, and I would imagine attracts dozens of 'lurkers' and 'random surfers' who are potential new gamblers every day.
So yes, I reckon there's a awful lot of new/inexperienced players reading this forum.

I can't understand how could such an old forum member/webmaster like you find statements like "don't submit a false claim" and "if you try to pass off a doctored document" sensible advices for new/inexperienced players??? Would a new/inexperienced player doctor documents or submit a false claim? Never.

Never? Well that's a bit of a sweeping statement isn't it?
Why don't you PM Bryan & ask him just how many PAB's he get from players trying to pull stunts just like this?

I don't know if the OP has an ulterior motive or not, and I'm not going to get into any arguments with you or anyone else over this thread. We are all entitled our different opinions, and mine is simply that the original post contained some very good advice. I don't give a toss why he posted it!