How honest are you?

[EasyRhino]

Originally Posted by tennis_balls

swirling music and 10,000 kilowatt beams of light shooting into my eyeballs at 4 a.m.

Maybe you were actually at a rave that night?

[spearmaster]

IMHO, it is the dealer's responsibility to do his job correctly. And it is no business of any other player to point out an error unless the error affects him directly, just as much as it is not the dealer's responsibility to tell you that you should always stand on 12 against a 6 showing.

The pitboss is also supposed to be monitoring things - and, the cameras above are supposedly always manned so if they were paying attention they would alert the pitboss who would then come and check.

Yes, I feel guilty if an overpayment in my favor occurs. I'm sure most people feel guilty. But there are times when we are tired, or inebriated, and not using our best judgement by being at the tables. Shouldn't the pitboss and the dealer feel guilty and tell us that they won't accept our bets?

It works both ways in the end. There are pitbosses and dealers that will indeed tell you to go to bed, if you know them very well. But these are the exception, rather than the rule - and after all has been said and done, pointing out dealer errors will mostly cause problems for the dealer - not only potentially embarrassing, but could cost them their job even if they are otherwise the most popular dealers around.

Trust me, the casino isn't going to care about a few bucks. And an error like that will never happen at the really big tables.

[gfkostas]

I do see many who are concerned with morals on what we should do on each occasion. Moralistic black&white judgements often have a dead end. Personally I've got overpaid 4-5 times but let it slip. Also I have no qualms about it nor do I feel a "thief". To the contrary if I find a wallet on the street I would return it to which owner. I don't think casinos are fair with us. Also I don't feel that I should be fair with them since am being taken advantage of. It's a mutual relationship. If they are fair let's have 50/50 games. If it is "immoral" to allow yourself to get overpaid it is also immoral for BJ to have 0,55% house edge . The justification behind the house edge is irellevant. Since they are not fair i'll do my best to beat the house while am there however I will never steal somene else chips or casinos chips but if they overpay me that's their issue to deal with.
Another reason i choose not to point out mistakes while am at casinos it's beucase I don't think nor feel from a spirituall standpoint that they appreciate my business. I lose £200 within an hour and yet they won't give me a soft drink in the casino unless I pay £1.20.
I sit at the table to enjoy myself and I see no interest at all from the inspectors nor the dealers to take care of me. People verbally abuse me at the BJ table for "doing the wrong thing" and make the whole table lose and the employees couldn't care less. They also have NO non smoking tables which is a murder. Also no clocks in the casino. A enviroment to grab your money while at the same time not appreciating you. As a result of these it would be naive for me to be "fair" and a good samaritan. Because of the aforementioned reasons casinos built up an atmosphere of me vs all. We see the casino as an enemy to beat at all costs. My attitude stems from how they treat me and in that I include their negative expectation games.
They have the house edge on their side and I have the house edge of dealers mistakes on my side. Respect for an intitution is earned not given by virtue of being a "business".
You may say what if they get their act together would you point out their error?....I still wouldn't
What if they had 50/50 games? then yes I would point out an error ofcourse a s long as it has to do with my hand not someones else.

Originally Posted by spearmaster

IMHO, it is the dealer's responsibility to do his job correctly. And it is no business of any other player to point out an error unless the error affects him directly, just as much as it is not the dealer's responsibility to tell you that you should always stand on 12 against a 6 showing.

exactly

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by gfkostas

Another reason i choose not to point out mistakes while am at casinos it's beucase I don't think nor feel from a spirituall standpoint that they appreciate my business. I lose £200 within an hour and yet they won't give me a soft drink in the casino unless I pay £1.20.

LOL. Well, that's the UK for you. In Vegas all you have to do is sit near any machine (even a penny slot), when a waitress pops by, spin (even only 1 line) and order a drink. The only problem with this is that the average tip for drinks at a Vegas casino is... $1

Actually, I agree with what you said. If I found a wallet I would definitely return it. Come to think of it, this happens quite a lot at my internet cafe, someone inevitably leaves something behind. We just put it away and hope that they come back to claim it, or we'll run after them if they only just left and we noticed. Even if they offered a reward we wouldn't take it.

At the tables, it's different. If the dealer takes away my winning bet, I have to call the pit boss to call upstairs to check the cameras - if I notice, that is The dealer wouldn't tell me "Oops! I took away your winning bet" (well, some actually do if they catch themselves, but mostly I think not). That's BS. If they did their job properly in the first place I could play half-asleep.

Anyhow, I pay for the privilege of playing at the tables through a house edge, and possibly room and board. The least I should expect from them is to do their jobs correctly.

[frufrugirl]

Originally Posted by gfkostas

I lose £200 within an hour and yet they won't give me a soft drink in the casino unless I pay £1.20.

I was just laughing at that Same here in our casinos..at least you get soft drinks and coffee for free...drink up that there $150 soft drink little missy...

[jenn1381]

When it comes to anything at a casino, it is absolutely the dealers job to do his or her job correctly. If they want to mess up in my favour, go right ahead, but I'm not going to correct them.

Not too long ago I went to a corner store to cash in $19 worth of lottery tickets. I just wanted more tickets. She somehow messed up while scanning them, called someone, took a $20 bill out of the drawer, gave me the $19 worth of scratch cards AND the $20 and said "That's yours". I looked at her like she was crazy and said "no, it's not". Before I could get another word out she said "Take it, go! RUN!"... So, I left... $19 in scratch tickets and $20richer. I tried to be honest but for some reason it didn't work. She was either too frustrated with her mistake to listen or she wanted to get fired. She's still working there though so that didn't happen. And I still go there to redeem my tickets in the hopes that she'll scan them wrong again

[frufrugirl]

I was just thinking of the time when I filled up with $20 of gas for free. After I topped off my tank I went in to pay for it, the cashier said, "you alread did". A "no I didnt", "Yes you did" dialog went on for a bit, then she said ""look, my machine said you did, thats all that matters! She scowled at me, I scowled at her and everyone behind me groaned that kind of "get on with it" groan.
I had felt sorry of the poor sop that might have been paying for my gas without knowing about it but I qwelled that thought with the idea it may have just been a gift from above! The cashier had no interest in finding the error. I still tease her about it, occasionally asking if my gas is free today....

[soflat]

If it were at a store, I would correct the mistake because the cashier is going to be short at the end of the day.

But I would react differently in a casino. Probably because it does not affect anyone and I am going to give it back eventually anyways.

I would consider the free chips a sort of special comp rather than anything immoral. And like I said, they are going to get it (and more) back from me anyways, so what's the harm?

Unlike some people here, I don't have anything against casinos. They are perfectly fair and treat me well. But I would take the free chips and probably tip the dealer a little something extra.

[dealer wins]

What a great discussion!!. I have very similar views to vinylweatherman's. I have and would always hand in wallets I find but a mistake from a big company and its mine. Had a very juicy overpayment from 1 online pokeroom this year and they havnt even noticed it, well ive had no emails at all.. (I will ignore them anyway LOL)

So basically im honest with individuals but otherwise dodgy as you like.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by Rusty

That avitar cracks me up by the way

lol, thanks...


What makes it even better is the fact that it actually happened