Most Ridiculous Bonus Terms?

**Scampo** · 2nd December 2006, 04:23 PM

Hi All,
I cannot see any logic in these, it starts off with 12x bonus = deposit, then goes onto 25X for using �s and ends up at 50X all for being English and a Neteller user.

Bonus Terms & Conditions
Terms & Conditions of Exclusive 300% Bonus Offer

To receive this bonus instantly, you need to make your first single deposit into your casino account. To receive your 300% free bonus up to 300 �/�/$, you need to make your first single deposit of 25-299 �/�/$ into your casino account.

* Please note that the only deposit that is eligible for this bonus is your first single deposit at the Casino.
* Unless otherwise stated, this offer may not be combined with any other bonuses offered by EuroToss.
* This Welcome Bonus will be given only once per person, family, household, address, e-mail address, any environment where computers are shared (schools, workplaces, public libraries, etc) and/or per account.
* In the interest of fair gaming, you must wager at least (12) twelve times your bonus and deposit before making any cash outs for $ and �. In the interest of fair gaming you must wager at least (25) twenty five times your bonus and deposit before making any cash outs for �. If you withdraw before having reached the minimum wagering requirements, your bonus and winnings will be void.

For example:
Deposit $100, get $300, minimum wager is $4,800.
Deposit �100, get �300, minimum wager is �4,800.
Deposit �100, get �300, minimum wager is �10,000.

Bets placed in the games of Blackjack (all varieties of Blackjack including Pontoon), Roulette (all varieties of Roulette), Baccarat (all varieties of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all varieties of Craps and SicBo),Jacks or Better (all forms of Jacks or Better), Aces and Faces (all forms of aces and Faces) and Casino War do not fulfill players obligations with regards to the minimum wagering requirements.

Please note that players depositing with � and are not from the United Kingdom, must wager at least thirty five (35) times their deposit and bonus amount before making any cash out.

Bets placed on Blackjack (all varieties of Blackjack including Pontoon), Roulette (all varieties of Roulette), Baccarat (all varieties of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all varieties of Craps and SicBo), Video Poker (all varieties of Video Poker) and Casino War, do not fulfill the player's obligations with regard to the minimum wagering requirements for players depositing with � and are not from the United Kingdom.

Please note that players depositing with � who are from the US or Canada must wager at least thirty five (35) times their deposit and bonus amount before making any cash out.

Bets placed on Blackjack (all varieties of Blackjack including Pontoon), Roulette (all varieties of Roulette), Baccarat (all varieties of Baccarat), Craps or SicBo (all varieties of Craps and SicBo), Video Poker (all varieties of Video Poker) and Casino War, do not fulfill the player's obligations with regard to the minimum wagering requirements for players depositing with � and are from the US or Canada.

Please note that players depositing with "Neteller" payment method and who are from United Kingdom must wager at least fifty (50) times their deposit and bonus amount before making any cash out.

**Scooter7** · 2nd December 2006, 04:52 PM

IMHO, they are looking to limit bonus whores from playing in GBP to save themselves some money, but I think the whole deposit bonus/wagering requirements scheme is ridiculous.

People will gamble no matter what. No strings attached loyalty programs to reward good customers would be way better than giving total strangers 'free' money with a catch and then trying to weed out all the advantage players that are smart enough to profit from it.

Didn't Bryan recently split up the complaints category into bonus and non-bonus complaints? What does that say about how much trouble the stupid bonuses can cause in the hands of bad casinos and/or greedy players? (there's lots of BS on both sides)

**KasinoKing** · 2nd December 2006, 05:03 PM

At least those terms are crystal clear & very well laid out.
I especially like where it spells out exactly how much you have to wager

(Not like some who leave you to work it out yourself)

Now - to guess the casino... (Software at least..)
Not Playtech, Crypto or RTG... Not 888 or 21.com... Not Rival or PP...
Could possibly be MG...? Or Chartwell...?

Am I warm?

**Scooter7** · 2nd December 2006, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

At least those terms are crystal clear & very well laid out.
I especially like where it spells out exactly how much you have to wager

You're 100% right about how clearly written the terms are, but the fact that they need about 500 perfectly written words does a lot towards convincing me that bonuses aren't the right way to promote.

**GrandMaster** · 2nd December 2006, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

At least those terms are crystal clear & very well laid out.
I especially like where it spells out exactly how much you have to wager

(Not like some who leave you to work it out yourself)

Now - to guess the casino... (Software at least..)
Not Playtech, Crypto or RTG... Not 888 or 21.com... Not Rival or PP...
Could possibly be MG...? Or Chartwell...?

Am I warm?

32Vegas. Here is another player friendly condition:
"32Vegas reserves the right to refuse or rescind the bonus and/or winnings for any reason including, but not restricted to, player abuse. "

**Scooter7** · 2nd December 2006, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by GrandMaster

32Vegas. Here is another player friendly condition:
"32Vegas reserves the right to refuse or rescind the bonus and/or winnings for any reason including, but not restricted to, player abuse. "

Bottom Line:

The 'we can ignore all the T&C's for any reason' clause is standard for everyone and it's toothless in a legal sense. Are you really going to fly to <insert exotic, far-flung third world tax/regulatory haven here> to file a lawsuit? The only thing that drives the use/non-use of the 'any reason' clause is how it weighs against their public image.

If a casino offers a bonus, the only 'abuse' possible is registering multiple accounts to collect more than one bonus. That's closer to fraud than abuse, in my opinion.

If the bonus has a positive EV for the player, then the casino made its own freakin' bed and should have to lie in it.

**WAYLANDER** · 2nd December 2006, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Scooter7

If the bonus has a positive EV for the player, then the casino made its own freakin' bed and should have to lie in it.

Perfectly put !

WAYLANDER

**Simmo!** · 2nd December 2006, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Scooter7

You're 100% right about how clearly written the terms are, but the fact that they need about 500 perfectly written words does a lot towards convincing me that bonuses aren't the right way to promote.

One thing you have to remember is that casinos don't want to give out bonuses at all and given a choice, they wouldn't, so expect to see them become more difficult, demanding, impossible or unbelievable over time. I don't mean this to sound patronising or confrontational, but every player that walks away making a profit from a sign-up bonus is likely to make it a tad more difficult for the next player. I don't mean literally on a one-to-one basis, but on a larger scale obviously. If a casino sees x hundred people walking away with a free profit, they are obviously going to tighten the terms.

But unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your viewpoint, bonuses are a cycle the industry is in and no-one has yet devised a way to break out without conceding ground to their competitors, nor have they yet devised a way to keep them fair without the hordes of bonus abusers laying in. But fraudsters are the main reason why everyone has to suffer these ridiculous terms. So if you meet one of those tw@ts, lay one on them for me

There probably is a way out and they are working towards it without perhaps even realising

Trouble is while mug punters get taken in by, and lack of regulation allows the Crystal Palace's of this world to operate like they do, there will always be a problem.

**aka23** · 2nd December 2006, 10:22 PM

It's not unusual to have increased wagering for GBP, as the bonus is larger than when in playing in $ due to currency values. The Neteller increased wagering is odd, but again not unique to this casino.

The most ridiculous terms I have seen are at Casino Vega. It relates more to cashing out bonuses than wagering:

"In order to receive a cash out, a player must have deposited a minimum of $25 within the last 14 days and must first meet our wagering requirements.

Cashouts will only be processed on Mon/Wed/Fri. Monday's cashouts will be processed on Wednesday, Wednesday's cashouts will be processed on Friday, and Friday's cashouts will be processed on Monday. (Any cash out made on other days will be put back into players account)."

**aka23** · 2nd December 2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

Now - to guess the casino... (Software at least..)
Not Playtech, Crypto or RTG... Not 888 or 21.com... Not Rival or PP...
Could possibly be MG...? Or Chartwell...?

Am I warm?

The terms look Playtech style, EuroGrand I believe -- http://www.eurogrand.com/en/bonus-te.../972.html#1662 .

I'm confused as to why the terms in the first post state "Eurotoss" rather than "Eurogrand." I couldn't find a Eurotoss website? Note that Eurogrand is Crown Solutions, so you may get the printed bonus, or you may get some other bonus.