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    What exactly is a "bonus abuser"?

    I have been reading through the various awards given by Casiomeister and following some of the threads. Specifically one concerning Captain Cook Casino.

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    Exactly how does one abuse a bonus? If you sign up for a casino, take their bonus, meet the wagering requirements and happen to have money to withdraw how is this abuse?

    Are players limited to the number of casinos they may join? I would think if you aren't making duplicate accounts then what is the beef?

    I have seen this term thrown around and decided I needed to know what it really meant.

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    At quite a few casinos if you make your first deposit, take a bonus and win, then you're a bonus abuser.
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    technically, it should be impossible to abuse a bonus because if one doesn't meet the stated requirements, they don't get paid. they have this "good faith" clause though that expects more play from the punter than satisfying bonus requirements.

    what can you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by winbig View Post
    At quite a few casinos if you make your first deposit, take a bonus and win, then you're a bonus abuser.
    I know it's been beaten to death, what is an abuser, who's abusing who, etc.
    but I know that one of the accredited groups (GV) changed their T&C's to combat what they deem is bonus abuse...making a killing on the sign up bonus with low house advantage games.
    Now they only allow small stakes for BJ , for example..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrylee View Post
    I know it's been beaten to death, what is an abuser, who's abusing who, etc.
    but I know that one of the accredited groups (GV) changed their T&C's to combat what they deem is bonus abuse...making a killing on the sign up bonus with low house advantage games.
    Now they only allow small stakes for BJ , for example..
    I'm a blackjack player myself...so I guess I'm a bonus abuser if I take a bonus that's offered where I can play blackjack? Hardly so...

    If other places don't want bonus abusers, or even the thought of it, then they need to disallow all games except for slots.

    If they want to allow BJ and claim 100x+ WR, then by all means HONOR cashouts if someone gets lucky enough to make it through. Don't label them as a bonus abuser...the same goes for other high WR games.
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    So what I am getting from all your input is there is no such thing as a bonus abuser. Just online casinos that hate it when we win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addisyn View Post
    So what I am getting from all your input is there is no such thing as a bonus abuser. Just online casinos that hate it when we win.
    Exactly

    Here is a good old example:

    Reef Club Casino - Cassava Enterprises
    Bonus policy - http://playersclub.reefclubcasino.co...4735&SR=800000
    1. ...This Initial Deposit Welcome Bonus may be Cashed Out
    only after an amount totaling no less than 200 times the Bonus amount has been wagered - for example, a Member must wager $10,000, before Cashing Out an Initial Deposit Welcome Bonus totaling $50.
    And then

    6. In the event of abuse, Reef Club Casino reserves the right to discontinue the Member's Reef Club Casino Membership and to prevent the Member from accessing the Casino in the future.
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    I always though a bonus abuser was someone who only plays with a bonus every time. Waiting for that definition to come out in websters,lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by amatrine View Post
    I always though a bonus abuser was someone who only plays with a bonus every time. Waiting for that definition to come out in websters,lol

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    At some casinos a bonus abuser is someone who takes a bonus and is smart or lucky enough to come out ahead. You can even be labelled a bonus abuser if you do not take a bonus.
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    Bonus Fraud

    Anyone who can "abuse" a bonus with 200x WR is clearly up to something


    Casinos seem keen to muddy the distinction between bonus abuse and fraud, with the implication that those who win with their bonus must be committing fraud, but the casino is having trouble working out how (perhaps because the player didn't). They then bring out the "abuse" accusation to deny the cashout.
    Unlike a court of law, it is usually down to the casino manager's "gut feeling" that cash-ins are denied and the player called a criminal (Fraud is a crime, whether committed by player or casino).
    Business, be it casino or double glazing salespersons, find it easy to screw the customer, and some rogue characters deliberately set up shop to do this from the outset, given that casinos are less regulated than double glazing companies, it is hardly surpising that fraudsters are attracted to the idea of starting their own casino.

    Casinos now suffer the consequences of this cavalier attitude in the development of the player fraudsters. They see casinos getting away with "murder" and just want a slice of the cake too. Casinos then have to tighten even further, and end up screwing innocent players, who then may decide that the whole industry is corrupt, and that they cannot get a fair deal unless they play the casinos at their own game. This began with "bonus abuse", and soon went on to multiple account bonus abuse, using false identities to have several goes at the bonuses. Beyond this, financial fraud, with fraudsters using money from stolen sources to play (or withdraw into a "clean" account); this includes players who make a chargeback when they lose and pocket the winnings when they win (there are a few casinos that do this also, deny a cash-out when a player wins, but happily accept deposits and play when the player is losing - if a player is in breach of terms, they are just as in breach when losing than when winning, so ALL wagering should be voided, not just the last winning session).

    A definition? this has been discussed at length, but casino operators will not define what is a bonus abuser, as doing so would limit their ability to identify other forms of abuse. Initially, abusing a bonus meant making thousands of tiny bets on a game like Blackjack and cashing out at the end of meeting WR with a small profit. Now, abuse includes making a very high risk bet, or series of bets, in order to win big or die very quickly with the bonus. As soon as another strategy turns out a significant number of winners, this too will become "bonus abuse" - this implies that playing to win is sufficient to attract attention.

    With casinos making bonuses ever more complicated, players need to get cleverer too, and many websites have sprung up to cater for this, and now a brand new form of bonus abuse emerges, playing by rote (usually the accusation is that the new player got a skilled friend to play for them, and they justify this by saying that their pattern of depositing for the maximum bonus and playing skillfully means that they MUST be a member of a ring of friends rather than playing for "their own entertainment".
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