Wagerworks bust stats

[nafanny29]

I have logged 500 (for each senario) hands of BJ for dealer upcard of 3, 4, 5 , and 6 bust % on wagerworks "players suite blackjack"

dealer upcard 3- bust 12%
dealer upcard 4- bust 18%
dealer upcard 5- bust 31%
dealer upcard 6- bust 22%

It took a lot of hands and money but I KNEW it was not genuine!!! The above stats say it all.

I started this logging after losing an unbelievable amount of times playing this game. This research has cost me another £950 in sheer frustration but at least I rest my case!!

[soflat]

What are the expected bust %'s?

[aka23]

Originally Posted by nafanny29

I have logged 500 (for each senario) hands of BJ for dealer upcard of 3, 4, 5 , and 6 bust % on wagerworks "players suite blackjack"

dealer upcard 3- bust 12%
dealer upcard 4- bust 18%
dealer upcard 5- bust 31%
dealer upcard 6- bust 22%

It took a lot of hands and money but I KNEW it was not genuine!!! The above stats say it all.

I started this logging after losing an unbelievable amount of times playing this game. This research has cost me another £950 in sheer frustration but at least I rest my case!!

The bust percentage should be more than double those numbers. If you played 500 hands in each scenario, then this game is clearly not fair. I've never played at Wagerworks (don't allow US). Do you believe there are problems with other games as well or just player's suite BJ?

[KasinoKing]

Although I do like WagerWorks & play it a lot, there is definitely something 'not truly random' about some of their games.
The feeling I get is that some of their card games play more like a 'slot' - that is, you have a random chance of winning or losing each hand, but the actual cards dealt are not dealt randomly from a shuffled deck.
(Hope you understand what I mean!)

I found 'Players Suite' BJ particularly nasty - however, the 'standard' version seemed more like 'real' BlackJack.

I would love someone to analyze their Texas Hold'em Shootout Poker - the hands on this game are well beyond any truly random dealing.
There's two hands played each game (player & dealer), but the number of Straights, Flushes & Full Houses have to be seen to be believed!
If someone could tell me what the odds of making each poker hand is, I'll do some stats myself.

[pangloss]

Originally Posted by nafanny29

I have logged 500 (for each senario) hands of BJ for dealer upcard of 3, 4, 5 , and 6 bust % on wagerworks "players suite blackjack"

dealer upcard 3- bust 12%
dealer upcard 4- bust 18%
dealer upcard 5- bust 31%
dealer upcard 6- bust 22%

It took a lot of hands and money but I KNEW it was not genuine!!! The above stats say it all.

I started this logging after losing an unbelievable amount of times playing this game. This research has cost me another £950 in sheer frustration but at least I rest my case!!

The numbers and experience I had at PremierBet casino were worse than this and to my mind it simply re-enforces the notion that on-line casinos can and do alter their games at will.

It seems incredible but there is NO independant verification that ANY on-line Casino deals a fair game. Audits from the likes of PWH are deficient and wholly inadequate in the examination of each and every game offered for play.

I can recall a couple of years ago a piece of software was to be made available that could could verify "randomness" at each turn of a card (spin of wheel) but such software disappeared without a trace.

As frequent players of on-line casinos we ALL know the experience of say playing BJ at one casino software provider is manifestly different when compared to another (ie streaks, card combinations ect). But nevertheless we are repeatedly assured that the RNG is completely "random". HOGWASH!!

There is not a game of on-line BJ that even remotely resembles the BJ game dealt in B+M casinos. There are all rigged and the fact that some of them return "theoretical" win/loss amounts does not make a scrap of difference - they are still dealing cheating cards.


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[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by nafanny29

I have logged 500 (for each senario) hands of BJ for dealer upcard of 3, 4, 5 , and 6 bust % on wagerworks "players suite blackjack"

dealer upcard 3- bust 12%
dealer upcard 4- bust 18%
dealer upcard 5- bust 31%
dealer upcard 6- bust 22%

It took a lot of hands and money but I KNEW it was not genuine!!! The above stats say it all.

I started this logging after losing an unbelievable amount of times playing this game. This research has cost me another £950 in sheer frustration but at least I rest my case!!

This is bad. The Wizard of Odds has tables of dealer probabilities. The probabilities of the dealer busting should be about 37.4%, 39.6%, 41.8% and 42.3%.

You should contact the Michael Shackleford, or I can do it for you if you wish.

[Vesuvio]

This seems to confirm what most regular players think about Wagerworks. There are a lot of good bonuses around which make it well worth playing at their casinos, but, for whatever reasons, the games don't deal natural cards.

[soflat]

Given their connections to IGT, these are pretty serious allegations. I think it needs to be documented by more players before they get a chance to do a coverup. The Wizard was apparently a consuiltant as well. Can it be done in play money mode?

[GrandMaster]

Nafanny29: which casino was it, and which game?

[nafanny29]

It was mostly Virgin, a bit of paddypower and Skybet. And the game was "players suite BJ multihand"

I was playing 50p-£2 a hand mostly. I started logging this on paper 2 months back when I kept noticing the dealer turn over a "good" downcard. Ie. dealer upcard of 6, and a 4 or 5 would turn over so many times etc. (followed by a 10 of course).

I think this is definately a "slot BJ game".

An Texas holdem shootout IMHO is not random at all, worse than their BJ by far.

And by contrast their "table BJ 6 decks" (havnt kept any stats) actually seems fair.