Surely "streaky" is rigged!?!

[steadman]

Obviously I'm not a big poster. I don't have much to say which isn't already taken care of on here by some great contributors but I'm constantly reading about how games are not rigged but are "streaky" which doesnt make much sense.

How can a person believe that a game isn't rigged if they believe it is streaky? I'm talking here not about slots, keno, etc but the standard card games. Even it is still paying the same percentages in a streaked fashion then that is still manipulated thus "rigged".

I only mention it because I've had a streaky day on Pai Gow - I'm always amazed how many you can lose in a row in that game - especially as the chance of a loss is far less than on say a blackjack game!

Cheers guys.

Cheers Simmo.

[Simmo!]

I'm not a table games player but I'd guess (like slots etc) its down to "high variance" rather than any dubious activity causing the streaks, in particular when multiple decks are used. Just a hunch though. The audited payout percentages might also hold a clue to this too where published.

Cheers

Simmo!

[KasinoKing]

Hi Steadman,

What software do you play on?
I play quite a bit of PaiGow and know what you mean about the streaks. It's easier to think it's rigged than just having a bad run.
On Crypto's I have years of stats which shows me in the long term I get a fair game there.
But with MG & RTG I always seem to have terrible luck - MG is actually the worst for PaiGow I've ever played!
Boss & Playtech seem OK to me.

I guess the above is just my gut feel - it could all just be down to luck.

[steadman]

Hi guys,.


I'm not really suggesting that the games are - more commenting on a some of the posts in the forum - I notice on multiple posts there are the "not rigged just more streaky" comments which just doesnt make sense.

KK - I play at quite a few different casinos only if bonuses are involved. I'm personally just amazed at the amount of Pai-Gow hands you can lose in a row - even get a "feel" for whats happening before it happens sometimes but I'm not suggesting anything odd - I've had those feelings at a live table but Pai-Gow, unlike BJ, should not really contain many of these multiple loss streaks.

Cheers.

[bpb]

Hi guys,.


I'm not really suggesting that the games are - more commenting on a some of the posts in the forum - I notice on multiple posts there are the "not rigged just more streaky" comments which just doesnt make sense.

You are correct, streaky but not rigged comments make no sense. But people like to make up these kind of arguments to justify their gambling losses. It gives them hope that they can win in the long run if they just identify a streak early and up their bets.

[aka23]

You are correct, streaky but not rigged comments make no sense. But people like to make up these kind of arguments to justify their gambling losses. It gives them hope that they can win in the long run if they just identify a streak early and up their bets.

Gambling losses? I gain more than statisically expected almost every time I use progressive betting with SW I believe is streaky. The results for casinos where I have used progressive betting this month are below:

--Parlay--
Winward: +$950 on $500 bonus
Casino Vega: +$160 without betting or cashing bonus

--Real Time Gaming--
Shark: +$820 on $400 sticky bonus (or +$1220, if including bonus)

--Cryptologic--
Intercasino: +$200 on $100 bonus
Littlewoods: +$195 on 25GBP bonus
William Hill: +$75 on $40 bonus

--Grand Virtual--
Casino Lux: +$200 on $100 bonus (should have been more, lost nearly all bonus bets, as is typical with this SW)

--Random Logic--
888.com: +$165 on $100 bonus

[tencardcharlie]

I'm personally just amazed at the amount of Pai-Gow hands you can lose in a row - even get a "feel" for whats happening before it happens sometimes but I'm not suggesting anything odd - I've had those feelings at a live table but Pai-Gow, unlike BJ, should not really contain many of these multiple loss streaks.

Yeah it's easy to feel that way when the game seems to be against you
But as you understand, theories about 'streaky' software doesn't make sense.

Not only is it theoretically implausible that casinos should rigg their games in such a wierd way, also the lack of empirical evidence speaks for itself.

To my knowledge noone have ever shown that there should be higher risk to lose after a loss and higher chance to win after a win - which would be true if the SW was programmed to be 'streaky'. Such a test would not be hard to perform. Still we see nothing but anecdotes to back up those claims.

[aka23]

Yeah it's easy to feel that way when the game seems to be against you
But as you understand, theories about 'streaky' software doesn't make sense.

Not only is it theoretically implausible that casinos should rigg their games in such a wierd way, also the lack of empirical evidence speaks for itself..

There are several casino advantages to "streaky SW." Two of the big ones are

1. Increasing odds that a player will bust before completing wagering requirements

2. Increasing odds that a player who tries to make up losses by increasing bet size will bust (for example double bet with each loss)

It is also possible that the streakyness is more of a side effect than a desired effect.

To my knowledge noone have ever shown that there should be higher risk to lose after a loss and higher chance to win after a win - which would be true if the SW was programmed to be 'streaky'. Such a test would not be hard to perform. Still we see nothing but anecdotes to back up those claims.

Some of the anecdotes are extremely improbable situations. Yesterday I mentioned two roulette streaks that occurred minutes apart from each other , each of which is expected to occur once per 1.8 million spins. The chances of two such streaks within a few hundred spins of each other is for all practical purposes 0.

[frufrugirl]

AKA23, I noticed you list some of your bets in GBP. Arnt you a us player? If so, have you had any trouble from the casinos regarding using non resident currency?
And, back to the thread, I have to tell you I spent over $250 on a downward streak that wouldnt reverse itself, I cant believe I was such an idiot and continued hoping it would, the play was super fast -which, I had notice before when playing at this casino means a losing session...maybe its just in my mind but I had won on the previous deposit( no bonus),it was playing slow, cashed out $75 , came back the next day and deposited the $250 and pffft gone with variable betting without such as a howdy do! Now I pay attention to the speed in return play, if fast, it seems, I say "seems" to indicate a losing streak and I will stop. Saved my butt the other day!

[steadman]

Yeah it's easy to feel that way when the game seems to be against you
But as you understand, theories about 'streaky' software doesn't make sense.

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Well it does make sense to an extent - streaking the game does appeal to the gambling instinct at it's most base level. A bad streak causes a faster bust and a good streak can ensure a player will play it out resulting in a longer session which can ultimately break those gamblers without a self-control reflex, so to speak. It's difficult for most people to leave when winning. Maybe not Casinomeister readers.

Take those scratchcard games you see on some sites - they are far from random - how many of them have 2 of the 3 required jackpot or other big win symbols? They are engineered to make people play more, so there are reasons to engineer games to be more appealing.

But basically my point was merely if players believe that a game like BJ/PG/CW is streaked in any way and not random - then they have to believe it is rigged. You cannot think one and not think the other.