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Rival software review (unnecessarily long)

I decided to try out one of the casinos running Rival software. The casinos are Cocoa, Da Vinci's Gold, Paradise8, and This Is Vegas.

*** SLOT GAMES ***

The big claim to fame here is the "I-slot" interactive slots, supposedly the most revolutionary, cutting-edge slot games ever. When I played a few days ago there were two options: "As the Reels Turn" and "Reel Crime: Bank Heist." A third I-slot game, "Reel Crime: Art Heist" has just been added.

Possibly I overlooked or failed to understand some elements, but I was baffled. "As the Reels Turn" is a soap opera themed game. It's a typical video slot with a couple of different second-screen bonuses. A particular combination on the reels will trigger an advance to a new game level. Between levels, a video depicting the soap opera storyline is shown, and between some levels, a second-screen bonus is awarded.

I didn't bother watching the videos. The bonus games were entirely unremarkable, typically involving a choice of symbols to reveal a hidden bonus amount. Bonus amounts tended to be quite low.

After reaching and continuing past the final level, I was returned to level 1, but apparently they plan to release additional levels in the future. However game play is the same at each level. The only differences are the between-level videos and bonuses.

The Bank Heist game is a little different, and a bit more complicated. The game includes a chase level featuring different symbols on the reels. For no apparent reason, the player is required to lock in a particular bet amount before playing the chase level. The bet amount is a mandatory 5 coins per line, so although my original bet amount was 15 cents, I was required to play at least 75 cents per spin if I wished to continue.

As best I could determine, my only alternative was to never play the Bank Heist game again. There's a button to reset back to the beginning of the level, but no way I could see to back out to the main level.

During the chase level, car symbols on the reels cause either the pursuing or getaway vehicle to move forward. The level ends when the getaway vehicle either is caught or reaches the finish line. The car symbols act as blockers for most payouts, so this level seemed to suck money.

A bonus round is awarded at the end of the level, and the bonus feature differs depending on the outcome, but the bonus for getting away doesn't appear to be any better than the bonus for getting caught. I don't know, maybe the developers wanted to teach the lesson that crime doesn't pay.

Between various levels and features are annoying videos, which I would expect to get old very quickly, although they are skippable.

The regular slots are better. The three-reelers are typical examples of their type, but they treated me very well through prolonged play.

The regular video slots are typical 15-line games, but with a few oddities. An example is the "Metal Detector" game. The pay table is unusually proportioned. A typical symbol may pay 10 for two symbols left to right, only 15 for three of the symbol, and maybe 40 or 50 for four. The result is a lot of small hits and a few large hits, but very few medium payoffs.

The bonus feature requires maneuvering a man holding a metal detector along a beach. A buried object is then revealed and a bonus amount is awarded. There's no rhyme or reason to this. In one instance the buried object is a safety pin and the payoff is 200 coins. Next time OMG it's the Ark of the Covenant! And the payoff is ... 100 coins. WTF!?!

Summing up the slot games, I didn't find any of them revolutionary. But I noticed that every game and every feature is totally luck-based, which in my estimation is a huge limitation on creativity. Admittedly luck-based games are the norm, but to really reward continued play and crank up the loyalty factor, I think the designers need to consider incorporating elements of skill.

*** VIDEO POKER ***

The video poker is like going back in time to a Microgaming casino in 2004. Games are available in either single-line or 4-line options, and with the exception of single-line Deuces, all pay tables appear to be the same as Microgaming. (Rival uses the good Deuces payoffs for both single and 4-line.)

Graphics are slightly flashier than Microgaming, but the overall experience is essentially the same. Kudos to Rival for offering both 5 and 10 cent coin amounts.

Missing from the Rival software is a perfect-strategy autoplay feature. That's OK with me because I think it was a mistake for Microgaming to offer it. The ability to play skill games perfectly effectively turns Microgaming's video poker into 99.5% slots. (Or 99% or 98.5% depending on the game.) Which has largely killed the ability of Microgaming casinos to offer decent incentives.

*** TABLE GAMES ***

Didn't play any, but they offer the usual assortment.

*** CASHIER AND ACCOUNTING ***

The software offers excellent tracking of comp points. According to support, the comp rate ranges from 0.1% for BJ & VP all the way up to 0.4% for slots. But for some reason I earned at the 0.1% rate for all games. I thought it might be because I was playing with a bonus, but the 0.1% rate continued even after the bonus and my withdrawal had cleared.

Bonuses are activated prior to depositing, somewhat like the RTG software. The active bonus information and terms continue to be accessible via the cashier until the bonus has cleared.

The software has a unique feature to prevent bonus abuse -- excluded games are allowed to be played, but bet sizes are limited. I assume this is to prevent a player from doubling up at a table game before clearing a bonus at slots.

Wagering progress toward a bonus does not appear to be trackable within the software, although the comp point counter may be useful for this. Support wasn't especially helpful. They claimed the cashier area would tell me when I was finished. After another inquiry to support, I was advised that I was clear to withdraw, but the software continued to display the active bonus.

Then after some confusion over ID verification, I cashed out successfully.

*** MISCELLANEOUS ***

The software doesn't appear to download any games automatically. Each download initiates when a game is launched for the first time, and it's not possible to play other games while waiting.

I found the slots autoplay feature to be somewhat slow. It would occasionally speed up, but I was never able to achieve consistently rapid play. May have been my computer though.

*** SUMMARY ***

This may be reflective of my reduced expectations after multiple unsatisfactory casino experiences, but I liked the casino and would play there again. For non-bonus play I would still choose a Microgaming casino instead, but a few incentives would swing the pendulum in favor of Rival, at least some of the time. And the Rival casinos do appear to be more aggressive with their bonus offers.
 
I'm getting nice feedback on these.

There are some new slots coming out, too.

I see people returning for more, so that seems to be a good indication that fun is to be had.

My own test runs were fun. I liked the islots.
 
sal monella said:
Missing from the Rival software is a perfect-strategy autoplay feature. That's OK with me because I think it was a mistake for Microgaming to offer it. The ability to play skill games perfectly effectively turns Microgaming's video poker into 99.5% slots. (Or 99% or 98.5% depending on the game.) Which has largely killed the ability of Microgaming casinos to offer decent incentives.

Good point, Sal. This was my same thoughts exactly. They should never have added that feature.
 
I liked the I-Slots, Reel Crime more than the others (including the new Art Heist).

I, actually, liked the regular video slots better. Grandma's Attic was fun (to me) because I seemed to get some regular wins out of it. However, I agree that they should really kick it up a notch with the games and try to offer some unique bonus games (like Marvel Comics Slots have). Or some major Free Spins like you see in many of the newer MGS games.


Overall, I really like the casinos as it is a nice interface. I would really like to see a lot of new games, though. They could really 'Rival' MGS if they can get the variety up. (pun intended)


kwblue
 
I guess it's too late to edit my original post. Just noticed the Deuces video poker pay table at Rival casinos is not the same as Microgaming. The Microgaming payout for 4 deuces is 1250, assuming max coins, but Rival only pays 1000. This reduces the optimal return of the game to around 98.5%, instead of about 99.3% at Microgaming.

Time for a new eyeglass prescription.
 
Comp Point Issue

Thanks to Sal Monella for the review on the Rival Gaming software.

We take all feedback seriously, and this thread has been forwarded to our developers.

In particular, we examined the comp point issue you raised.

All four 400 Group casinos (www.thisisvegas.com , www.cocoacasino.com, www.paradise8.com and www.davincisgold.com ) have set the following comp policy:

For each dollar wagered, players are awarded points -

* 4 points for Keno
* 3 points for Slots
* 2 points for Caribbean Stud Poker, Let it Ride, War, Red Dog, and Three Card Poker
* 1 point for all other games.

We conducted an audit of the system and determined player accounts were indeed receiving incorrect comp points based on the games played. As Sal Monella noted, all wagers, despite what games were being played, were receiving 1 point for each $1 bet. We are pleased to let you know that this issue has been resolved and all new wagers are being comped using the above point system. All previously placed wagers have been retroactively comped to correct any discrepancies. Players with accounts that were affected have been notified via email.

We've also determined that a portion of these comps have been applied to accounts that are no longer accessible due to voluntary self exclusion from the casinos. The 400 Group has decided that these comps will be converted to a cash donation to be made to www.GamAid.com.

We trust that this issue has been resolved to all players' satisfaction, and that Rival's and The 400 Group's commitment to fair play is clear.

Thanks to Sal Monella for bringing this to our attention.
Rob Lockhart
Rival Gaming Technical Support
 
kwblue said:
Serious kudos to resolving an issue and even back-filling the comp points. I received my email about it and then saw this thread. Simply superb support, IMO.

Yes! I second that. I always wondered what was up with the comp point counter, now I know.

Anyways I like their 3-reel slots. They don't look real fancy like some other software, but I'd rather have a chance at winning over being impressed by some graphics anyday.

I also see they have added a new version of Reel Crime (an art heist version with famous paintings).
 
I was about to email support about the comps points issue. (I usually check CasinoMeister first. LOL) I've just logged in at Da Vinci's Gold and find that the comps in my account seem to have been corrected since I played last night.

Thank you CocoaRob & 400 Group! Good customer service is always appreciated. :thumbsup:

And thanks Sal for your review.
 
I tried Reel Crime 2: Art Heist today, starting with $200 balance including a300% bonus.

It was brutal because it took 400 spins before I got the three scatter Art Heist symbols and advanced to the next level. After that, I advanced more quickly, but my fate was sealed because I burned through 70% of my bankroll in that intial stage. I eventually made it to the final round (which I lost).

Besides the 3 Art Heist scatters, the other scatters that pay 10 free spins were hard to come by. I hit those twice in 1100 spins for wins of 15 and 26 X my bet.

The Robin Hood bonus round would be a nice feature. It happens randomly after a spin and include a little cartoon. The problem is that it pays so poorly and I started dreading them because you sit through the same cartoons and get little payoff. The top payoff was 6.67 x bet, the lowest was 1.33. I hit this bonus 14 times in 1100 spins.
 
As I mentioned in a post yesterday, I joined with Davinci Gold after reading about the fact they use different software and provided good customer service in relation to a Comps point error.

I played slots only and way over the wagering level and made a cashout.

Yesterday I posted on these forums to mention the positive experience I had at the casino and another casinomeister user replied saying ` if you like the software at Davinci`s then try these, and then a few more casino were mentioned.

I signed up at one a second ago and was promptly banned from recieving any promotions. I asked support and it appears from the chat below I am labelled a promotion abuser after playing slots only at one casino in the group.

I could understand if I was playing minimum stakes blackjack and cashed out as soon as I met the WR but come on, slots only and way over the WR!!



Xiovani: Welcome to Cocoa Casino's Live Support. How may I assist you?
you: hi, can you tell me why i get a denied message when i claim a promotion.
Xiovani: May I have your email address or login please?
you: it is paulcr. i played at davinci gold yesterday after seeing it on the casinomeister website. a rep from your group pointed out this one.
Xiovani: Please hold one moment.
Xiovani: Unfortunately, the casinos security system has flagged your account and you are not eligible for promotions. You may still play for Fun or for Real without promotions.
you: what could have caused this as i only played at one yesterday after a recommendation.
Xiovani: I am sorry to inform you but the casino reserves the right to deny promotions to anyone, without disclosing the reason why.
you: ok thanks for your time.
Xiovani: Thank you for visiting Cocoa Casino. Please contact us at any time.
 
Besides the 3 Art Heist scatters, the other scatters that pay 10 free spins were hard to come by. I hit those twice in 1100 spins for wins of 15 and 26 X my bet.
Didn't realize this thread was here otherwise I would not have started a new one on paradise8 and thier awful paying games and posted screenshots....
It was brutal because it took 400 spins before I got the three scatter Art Heist symbols and advanced to the next level.
No truer words have been said...stay away if you want a game with any kind of fun play and excitement...these are so totally boring throughout knowing the wins are not worth the time...bonus rounds suck awful!
 
Promotions And Games

Hello everyone,

Before I respond, I'd like to clarify that I work for Rival and not The 400 Group (which runs the 4 casino properties, Cocoa Casino, This is Vegas, Da Vinci's Gold, and Paradise 8).

Regarding the RC2 game, we've had many comments about the game, many positive, some not so much. I want to assure you all that we are listening and take your feedback seriously. The best way to let us know what you think about the games is to email customer support for the casinos, they forward game feedback to Rival. Barring that, I suppose you could post it here. :)

As for promotions, our bonus system is highly advanced but does make the occasional mistake. The player is always informed if they are not eligible when claiming/depositing, not after they have sent money to the casino.

In the event you feel your account has been mistakingly denied promotions, please feel free to email the manager of the casino (manager @ thisisvegas . com, manager @ cocoacasino . com, manager @ paradise8 .com and manager @ davincisgold . com) and your account will be reviewed. Please note that the manager may or may not reverse the decision, but reserves the right to deny promotions without disclosing the reason why.

I hope this helps!

Cheers,

Rob
Rival Technical Support
 
Like soflat, I received an email for the 300% bonus and played the Art Heist slot.
Had the same experience as both soflat and silc. It took many spins to get the bonus round and the usual win on the bonus round was about $20 playing $1.50 or 2.25/spin. Pretty crappy. One set of free spins at 2.25 gave me nothing. I think I made it just over $260 once from the $200 I started with.

I worked really hard and managed to steal the painting and get to the market to try and sell it. It was there I picked the wrong box and had to start the whole game again. No way!! Just too boring. I got to the point where I just wanted to log off and never return.

The email stated that to receive a no-deposit bonus of $100 you had to steal the painting. I managed to do that and after an email to support found out you can't get the bonus unless you finish the whole game.

Tried a couple of other slots and found them to have lousy payouts too.

Near the end of my bankroll, I did manage to get a decent win and quickly cashed out $250 (met the 14X wagering of dep and bonus). I'd already deposited way more than that over the last couple of weeks and got nothing.

Not impressed at all.
 
Too funny for Words!

I got to the point where I just wanted to log off and never return.
OMG, I thought I was the only crazy one, for I did exactly that on the 2nd round of the heist...I changed games in the middle of it..got to the point I lost 2/3rds of my bankroll just to get to the 2nd screen in the heist and that did it...left in the middle of the game..It is NOT WORTH the investement.. glad you mentioned this...for it will eat you alive!
 
I signed up at one a second ago and was promptly banned from recieving any promotions. I asked support and it appears from the chat below I am labelled a promotion abuser after playing slots only at one casino in the group.

I could understand if I was playing minimum stakes blackjack and cashed out as soon as I met the WR but come on, slots only and way over the WR!!

It seems a lot of casinos will bonus ban you simply for making a cash out. It doesn't matter what games you played or how much you wagered -- they do not want players capable of cashing out a win. The only kind of customer they're insterested in is gambling addicts who will play untill they lose everything no matter what.

Although in this case it could be because you signed up for two casinos in the same group.
 
As stated earlier, I signed up at DaVinci's got the 300% bonus, had a nice hit on Gold Rush (betting $15 per spin -- I thought I'd hyperventilate before meeting WR), managed to cash out $400. Cash out was received to my NETeller within 2 days.

Rival video slots: The intro graphics on vid slots like Gramma Attic and The 80's is not necessary and is too simplistic (cartoony). The payoffs on these slots is meager, and hopes of getting something nice during bonus rounds (whether picks or free spins) were repeatedly dashed.

I-Slots: I didn't go near the I-Slots. I'd played them in 'play' money mode at Paradise 8 a few months ago (never deposited or took a bonus there) and decided they (I-Slots) were purely money vacuums disguised as vid slots.

I didn't try the Video Poker or other games as I was trying to meet WR.

My opinion: this software has potential. I like the interactive feature of the vid slots, but I found myself repeatedly frustrated with never getting any really good hits and never even getting the bonus/feature on some games after many, many spins. Then when I did finally get a bonus round, I saw few hits, and nothing that would make me say: "Oh, yeah!"
 
Rob, can you find out if there is a rule about getting the sign up bonus from only 1 of the 4 casinos and let us know???


Also, it sounds to me like the payout % on these slots is way too low. If so, they will lose their customers very quickly and should do whatever is necessary to improve it to at least 95% or even slot junkies like us will leave due to mass boredom.

I wonder if Zoozie could do an analysis of this slot. That would be interesting.
 
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I worked really hard and managed to steal the painting and get to the market to try and sell it. It was there I picked the wrong box and had to start the whole game again. No way!! Just too boring. I got to the point where I just wanted to log off and never return.

The email stated that to receive a no-deposit bonus of $100 you had to steal the painting. I managed to do that and after an email to support found out you can't get the bonus unless you finish the whole game.

I did the 400+ spins to get to the art picking round, only to get the wrong painting. I have no idea if you can go back and try to pick a different one but I wasn't about to try since it ate so much of my bankroll already.

Anyways I advanced somewhat more quickly after that until the final round where you only get 100 spins to hit some unlikely combination, otherwise you just wasted all that time and money for nothing (even if you do finish out I doubt the payout is more than a few dollars).

Now I see how they can offer a 300% bonus plus another $100 for stealing the painting of the day.

The thing that would keep people playing is the anticipation of moving to the next round, but it's way too hard and the wins along the way are too stingy.

I did like their 3-reel slots but now I suspect those are or will be tightening up as well.

Also, it sounds to me like the payout % on these slots is way too low. If so, they will lose their customers very quickly and should do whatever is necessary to improve it to at least 95% or even slot junkies like us will leave due to mass boredom.

Absolutely. If you throw out one tight slot like this than the impression is that the whole place is tight. You should have made it looser and gained customer interest. How could anyone play this without a bonus?
 
How could anyone play this without a bonus?
Unless there's some amazing payoff for successful completion, the Art Heist game looks even worse than the other two I-slots. The bonus rounds between levels are pitiful. The max payoff in the "Painting Selection" round seems to be 10x the initiating bet.

Then later is the "Pick Your Tools" bonus round, in which the player must choose a tool by eliminating pairs from a grid. This bonus game theoretically tests the player's memory, but there's no payoff regardless of the outcome.

I failed to get past the "Find the Forgeries" bonus round, which requires finding three forgeries before revealing an "authenique." On the first try I only revealed one forgery before losing. The display informed me that I would receive no consolation prize because life is tough for art thieves.

Later I managed to reveal two forgeries before losing. The display informed me that I would receive no consolation prize because life is tough for art thieves.

Three times I hit the Robin Hood bonus feature, which promises up to 375,000 coins as I recall. I hit slightly less -- 100 coins each time, on a 75-coin initiating bet.

Possibly there's huge payoff potential hidden somewhere within the I-slot games, but I haven't found it.
 
Being eliminated in the forgeries round is a BIG disappointment, especially after having stolen the correct painting of the day, plus all the time invested.

One other thing I noticed is that the Robin Hood bonus must only be for max coins bet, because I never had to suffer through it with a 4-coin bet.
 
One other thing I noticed is that the Robin Hood bonus must only be for max coins bet, because I never had to suffer through it with a 4-coin bet.
I hit the Robin Hood bonus round once every $150+ investment @ $3.75 a spin (max bet) and won anywhere between 100 ($5.00) coins (nickles) to 200 coins ($10.00). Truly bad paybacks on every "BONUS" game they offer it seems when a "BONUS" round should be something to look forward to, not cringe when you get it... :mad:
 
I hit the Robin Hood bonus round once every $150+ investment @ $3.75 a spin (max bet) and won anywhere between 100 ($5.00) coins (nickles) to 200 coins ($10.00). Truly bad paybacks on every "BONUS" game they offer it seems when a "BONUS" round should be something to look forward to, not cringe when you get it... :mad:


The software is nice, it flows good, the payouts SUCK, they could give out all the bonuses in the world and it would not matter. I sent in an email asking my account be closed, it stated they would get back to me within 12 hours, well 2.5 days later no support response, great job!!
 
Possibly there's huge payoff potential hidden somewhere within the I-slot games, but I haven't found it.

Personally I think it's just smoke and mirrors with these i-Slots. Lots of eye candy, but, get down to brass tacks (the guts of it) and the payouts are shocking.

I've tried them a couple of times, and both times they've bled me dry. Walking away thinking I'd have more enjoyment flushing my bucks down to toilet S bend :D

I agree the bonus rounds are pathetic, would be more fitting to call them sucker rounds if you really wanted to be harsh.

This on top of the latest screw up with their loyalty points is not a good sign imo. Least they fixed that up. Though, read today that they are back crediting more loyalty points due to another glitch.
 
Personally I think it's just smoke and mirrors with these i-Slots. Lots of eye candy, but, get down to brass tacks (the guts of it) and the payouts are shocking.
Call me a glutton for punishment, for I played again last night to see if I "missed" anything and give them the benefit of doubt.

Well, I made it to the final round and lost...and got NOTHING! OMG...what a dissapointment! Isn't a "BONUS" round supposed to pay something? Anything?? Not a big screen saying you have to START ALL OVER cause you missed it??? Isn't this the reason you "go for it" and invest your funds?

Bonus means: bonus (n.) Something given or paid in addition to what is usual or expected. Well, they need to change thier "BONUS" to something other than that since nothing is being paid in addition to!
 
Call me a glutton for punishment, for I played again last night to see if I "missed" anything and give them the benefit of doubt.

Well, I made it to the final round and lost...and got NOTHING! OMG...what a dissapointment! Isn't a "BONUS" round supposed to pay something? Anything?? Not a big screen saying you have to START ALL OVER cause you missed it??? Isn't this the reason you "go for it" and invest your funds?

Bonus means: bonus (n.) Something given or paid in addition to what is usual or expected. Well, they need to change thier "BONUS" to something other than that since nothing is being paid in addition to!


Its the free spins on the Reel Crime game that pissed me off, 2 sticks of dynamite but the free spins never win anything, you can win a bit on most of your spins but not when there is a multiplier. We will see how this plays out, I like the software but will not play anymore due to the very weak payouts, hopefully they will address this or they just wont last.
 
I gave it one more shot (yes, I am a sucker for bonuses).

Deposited $25, received $75. My balance quickly hit about $130 playing the Gold Rush slot (an excellent slot with frequent good payouts in my opinion).

I took it to RC-2 Art Heist and played @ 60 cents a spin (4 coins per line in order to avoid Robin Hood and avoid the $100 20xWR bonus in case I actually stole the painting).

The amazing thing was that my balance stayed in the $100-130 range right up to the final $200 of wagering requirement. I hit the free spins on a regular basis and had some decent scores (up to about 50x bet size).

I actually stole the correct painting and completed the game. You would not believe the payout if your thieves escape to paradise! WOW!!!!! (:rolleyes: ) Haha!!

When I completed the WR, I had about $60 (plus some comps), so I lost at a rate of only 5-6%. Who knows, I might actually break even for the promo with today's possible winnings.
 
I actually stole the correct painting and completed the game. You would not believe the payout if your thieves escape to paradise! WOW!!!!! ( ) Haha!!
soflat, puleez tell us what the actual "payoff" is when getting to the end! For $2400 in wagering requirements on a deposit, @ $3.75 a spin, please don't tell me it's $50 or something like that...I would die....so now I am only dying to know....
 
soflat, puleez tell us what the actual "payoff" is when getting to the end! For $2400 in wagering requirements on a deposit, @ $3.75 a spin, please don't tell me it's $50 or something like that...I would die....so now I am only dying to know....

Welllll, OK. But first of all, if anybody wants to play through the game and be surprised by the final payoff (like I did), don't read the end of this post. It will really spoil the fun. :)

I hope the casinos and developers don't take the criticism the wrong way. I really like Cocoa Casino and had a great session there yesterday thanks to the 3-reel slots.

I thought 50 or 100x the bet would be a good payoff after avoiding all the pitfalls and committing so much time to the gameplay.

I played 60 cents a spin, stole The Scream, and the robbers made it all the way to the beach where they were relaxing after the great heist. The final screen came up and I had been rewarded with :eek2: :eek2: $3.75 :confused: :p Then I was returned to the beginnning of the game to start over :rolleyes: .
 
OMG are you kidding me? Geez, the payout on that slot must be like 50%. Heck they could give 1000% bonus and still make money.:rolleyes:

I guess my question about whether you can get the bonus at more than 1 of their casinos is a moot point. WHO WOULD WANT TO?
 
OMG are you kidding me? Geez, the payout on that slot must be like 50%. Heck they could give 1000% bonus and still make money.:rolleyes:

I guess my question about whether you can get the bonus at more than 1 of their casinos is a moot point. WHO WOULD WANT TO?

Paul, I answered your questions in a PM.

The expected payback for the slots is approximately 96-98% depending on coins played and which game is played. None are less than 95%.

As for the bonus claiming issue, I believe I answered this query several times now, in addition to personally responding to you via a PM. Any online casino reserves the right to deny promotions to any player. Rival Powered casinos are not new with this policy, but Rival Powered casinos such as the T4G group of casinos make it clear to the player before depositing unlike some other brands. I've stated several times that if a player would like their bonus eligibility to reviewed, they may email the manager and request a review. Of course, there is no guarantee that the account status will change. There is no term in the T4G casinos specifically stating only one bonus per person in the 400 group, but there is a term specifying promotion eligibility is at the discretion of the casino.

If you would like me to personally request the manager look into your account, Paul, please send me a PM with your account details and I'll forward it on to the manager.

Cheers,

Rob
 
I apologize to Cocoa Rob as he did PM me 3 days ago to let me know that there is no written rule saying you cannot get more than 1 signup bonus. My bad:thumbsup:

Regarding the payouts of these slots, if they are 95% or higher, there must be one helluva payout that none of us here are familiar with:eek2:
 
The final screen came up and I had been rewarded with $3.75
You've got to be chittin me! No way! OMG..... definitely run from this casino!

I made it to a couple of levels but never to the end, and if I did make it to the end and the bonus was around $22.50 for a $3.75 wager, I would have died! Even the worst slots online pay more than 6x your bet...geezes!

To invest that much money and TIME trying to reach the end, you would figure a few hundred dollars at the least, I would anyway!

Don't WALK, RUN !!! RUN !!!! RUN!!!!
 
As for the bonus claiming issue, I believe I answered this query several times now, in addition to personally responding to you via a PM. Any online casino reserves the right to deny promotions to any player. Rival Powered casinos are not new with this policy, but Rival Powered casinos such as the T4G group of casinos make it clear to the player before depositing unlike some other brands. I've stated several times that if a player would like their bonus eligibility to reviewed, they may email the manager and request a review. Of course, there is no guarantee that the account status will change. There is no term in the T4G casinos specifically stating only one bonus per person in the 400 group, but there is a term specifying promotion eligibility is at the discretion of the casino.
This is a very short-sighted view by the T4G group.

While no-one can argue the casino should not have the right to exclude players without actually HAVING to state the reason, they do need to be very thoughtful about how & when this is done.

If this group wish to establish themselves as a reputable & ethical operation competing with the likes of 32Red etc., they need to portray the right image.

In denying Paul a sign-up bonus at the second casino, the message they are giving out is ‘new players are welcome at our casinos, unless they have the audacity to actually get lucky & win!’

I think most (if not all) of us here would agree that it is impossible to ‘systematically abuse’ a bonus playing slots. You either get lucky & hit a big win, or bust out way before WR. Casinos who do not welcome lucky players may as well say they don’t want any players! For surely players who are lucky at a casino are far more likely to return & play again than the unlucky ones.

This group should not be denying Paul further bonuses, they should be positively encouraging him to sign up again so that he can lose his winnings back to them!

Just my 2c….
 
This group should not be denying Paul further bonuses, they should be positively encouraging him to sign up again so that he can lose his winnings back to them!
Just my 2c.

Well, yes and no.

How many 10x bonuses are there these days? They could probably be nice and let everyone get sign-up and monthly bonuses at all the casinos, but then wouldn't they have to tighten up the games or increase the WR?

I would prefer one 10x bonus to four 20x or 30x bonuses.

I suspect if Paul were a regular depositor, they would let him claim as many bonuses as he wished. They might even throw some money into his account unexpectedly in that case.
 
"They could probably be nice and let everyone get sign-up and monthly bonuses at all the casinos, but then wouldn't they have to tighten up the games or increase the WR? "

From what i read in this thread the answer is NO the WOULDNT have to tighten up the games or increase the WR because they are already super tight. But oh yeah i forgot they are 96-98% payback:)
 
"They could probably be nice and let everyone get sign-up and monthly bonuses at all the casinos, but then wouldn't they have to tighten up the games or increase the WR? "

From what i read in this thread the answer is NO the WOULDNT have to tighten up the games or increase the WR because they are already super tight. But oh yeah i forgot they are 96-98% payback:)

Just avoid the 5-reel slots. They'll steadily eat up your money unless some kind of miracle occurs.
 
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I have had like 3 offers for 300% bonuses and now a 200% bonus offer. I must say i do not understand how a site can turn a profit on a fair slot machine offering these kinds of bonuses.

CocoRob said "The expected payback for the slots is approximately 96-98% depending on coins played and which game is played. None are less than 95%".

If none payout less than 95% can the casino still make a profit offering these bonuses?

I still have a strong feeling these %s are "off".
 
I have had like 3 offers for 300% bonuses and now a 200% bonus offer. I must say i do not understand how a site can turn a profit on a fair slot machine offering these kinds of bonuses.

CocoRob said "The expected payback for the slots is approximately 96-98% depending on coins played and which game is played. None are less than 95%".

If none payout less than 95% can the casino still make a profit offering these bonuses?

I still have a strong feeling these %s are "off".

They can make a profit if the slot is 95%.

Suppose you deposit $25 and receive $50 bonus. Your WR is $1500. 5% of the WR is $75, so you lose your bonus and deposit.

20X slot bonuses are never any good for the player.
 
I didn't have much luck on the art heist slot, but on the bank heist one I've completed the map several times, and I've made a profit on this slot.
This thread just made me log in to Mayan Fortune because I wasn't sure on the name of the slot, and of course I had to play some as well, and I just managed to finish the whole round again in very short order. I got 5 free spins at the end at a 2x multiplier, netting me around 12x bet.

Rival's slots are decent imo, but all in all I'd rather play on an MG casino if I didn't receive a good bonus offer, which I did and made a good profit from after clearing WR. Waiting for my withdrawal now, and I can't say that they're particularly fast.
 
I didn't have much luck on the art heist slot, but on the bank heist one I've completed the map several times, and I've made a profit on this slot.
This thread just made me log in to Mayan Fortune because I wasn't sure on the name of the slot, and of course I had to play some as well, and I just managed to finish the whole round again in very short order. I got 5 free spins at the end at a 2x multiplier, netting me around 12x bet.
FIVE free-spins??? I never knew it went to those dizzy heights!
In all the times I've played that game I have NEVER had more than 3 at x2, and 4 out of 5 times it's 2 @ x2.
This 'final bonus round' is a real sucker-punch on the i-slots and completely ruins what should be some of the best games on the net. :mad:

I played it Tuesday & got right to the end, getting all the 'best outcomes' in each round, in just 133 spins playing 75c a time, and still still lost $23.
I also think I noticed that at the end my bank seemed to go up by half the amount it said I had won in the spins.
I'm going to watch this slot VERY carefully in the future in case there is a bug... :eek2:

KK
 
The I-slots idea is nice, with the continuing storylines and stuff that keeps you playing. I can see it losing its charm fast though, I played As the reel turns 1 yesterday, and before I could advance more than twice I was getting really tired of the picking casino chips feature, wishing it had an autoplay button that just gave me a random payback. The only time it got moderately exciting was when I hit it during 2x multiplier freespins.

What these slots need for any staying appeal are some decent feature wins. Maybe you can get them but I haven't seen it so far.
 

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