House Edge at Paigow poker for Odds On Casinos

[gaming_mouse]

Odds On (or Vegas Technology) casinos like Millionaire, English Harbour, etc. have a new paigow poker game, which is not discussed on the OddsOn page at wizardofodds.

The game is played using the standard 5% commission.

1. Is the house edge here the same as the house edge discussed on WOO's general paigow poker page?

2. If not, how do you calculate it?

3. Is using the house way the optimal strategy here, or at least close to optimal?

Thanks,
Jonah

[dickens1298]

Since this is basically an even money proposition without the commission, the 5% commission IS the house edge.

Put another way - I bet you a dollar for flipping a quarter. You lose a dollar if it comes up heads, but you win 95 cents if it comes up tails.

My friends generally like to play Pai Gow in Vegas, because then they can bet table minimums and drink all night long.

[gaming_mouse]

Originally Posted by dickens1298

Since this is basically an even money proposition without the commission, the 5% commission IS the house edge.

Put another way - I bet you a dollar for flipping a quarter. You lose a dollar if it comes up heads, but you win 95 cents if it comes up tails.

My friends generally like to play Pai Gow in Vegas, because then they can bet table minimums and drink all night long.

Dickens,

This is incorrect. House edge for PGP is typically 2.73% when the player is always forced to be player, as opposed to banker.

Basically, the reason is that about 40% of hands tie, in which case no commission is paid.

[tennis_balls]

i clicked "house way" on this one and look what they suggested:

their "house way" seemed ok other than on this hand

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[thetic]

This one is even worse than their suggestions over what should be house way!



Fairly certain that Jacks are not wild so dealer does not have a flush straight and so my Queen kicker should win???

Have forwarded this to the Casino to check into but still no acknowledgement of my email or response!

Apologies for the Unregistered across the screen. My Print Screen button is not working so had to go download some software when this hand came up!

[GrandMaster]

I am sure this is all part of a new bonus feature they are planning to introduce.

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by tennis_balls

Their "house way" seemed ok other than on this hand

I believe 'best strategy' is to keep low pairs together if you have a King or an Ace for the low hand - but Jack high...

Originally Posted by thetic

Fairly certain that Jacks are not wild so dealer does not have a flush straight and so my Queen kicker should win??!

That is definitely way out of order!

[thetic]

I have now received a response from the Casino and they have advised that the low hand wins in a flush.

If anyone has any experience or more knowledge of Pai Gow (looked at Wizard of Odds and saw no mention of the low flush winning) that can shed some light on it, it would be appreciated.

Not too concerned as it should balance itself out with getting "worse" flushes than dealer in long run, was just worried some bug in the system that had not been picked up on.

EDIT: Found one of the Wizards' appendices that shows probability of a flush getting beaten gets lower the higher the kicker is so must be Golden Casino have a different set of rules on this. I am aware that many games have different variations from casino to casino but certainly would like to know if anyone has heard of this one before...

[aka23]

Originally Posted by thetic

I have now received a response from the Casino and they have advised that the low hand wins in a flush.

If anyone has any experience or more knowledge of Pai Gow (looked at Wizard of Odds and saw no mention of the low flush winning) that can shed some light on it, it would be appreciated.

Not too concerned as it should balance itself out with getting "worse" flushes than dealer in long run, was just worried some bug in the system that had not been picked up on.

EDIT: Found one of the Wizards' appendices that shows probability of a flush getting beaten gets lower the higher the kicker is so must be Golden Casino have a different set of rules on this. I am aware that many games have different variations from casino to casino but certainly would like to know if anyone has heard of this one before...

I think Golden Casino support is making stuff up to justify their game. Standard poker rankings are used aside from A-2-3-4-5 being the second highest ranking straight. I'd stay away from Odds On Pai Gow.

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by thetic

I have now received a response from the Casino and they have advised that the low hand wins in a flush.

Is this written anywhere in the rules? If not, then you should insist that they follow the standard rules.