Total Wagering and Playcheck

[tiger2006]

Where is the total Wagering Button?

Is it normaly to ask the casino support for a total wagering update.

What is your way to get an total wagering info of the session?

LG tiger2006

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by tiger2006

Where is the total Wagering Button?

There isn't one. No doubt the casinos boycotted it because it would let people know exactly where they were with bonuses and they'd be less likely to exceed the requirements "just to be sure".

You either have to keep track while you play (there's also a stats button - at the newer software version a "%" sign), contact support (perfectly normal - they must spend their lives answering that sort of query) or try cutting and pasting into Excel and using the summing tools there. Not exactly ideal!

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

There isn't one. No doubt the casinos boycotted it because it would let people know exactly where they were with bonuses and they'd be less likely to exceed the requirements "just to be sure".

You either have to keep track while you play (there's also a stats button - at the newer software version a "%" sign), contact support (perfectly normal - they must spend their lives answering that sort of query) or try cutting and pasting into Excel and using the summing tools there. Not exactly ideal!

I don't believe it's a casino issue at all, in that they would "boycott" it - in my opinion I think we've overlooked the fact that some casinos apply different calculation methods for playthrough, such as counting blackjack as half, etc. What should be a simple tool if it was a standard 1x calculation with game exclusions becomes quite complicated when you have varying methods of determining what play calculates at what percentage of the total requirement.

FWIW - ezbonus and similar implementations are actually part of the overall picture, I believe that before long every MGS casino will have a much simpler way to calculate and check playthrough, though it took way, way too long to develop what should have been a standard tool.

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

I don't believe it's a casino issue at all, in that they would "boycott" it - in my opinion I think we've overlooked the fact that some casinos apply different calculation methods for playthrough, such as counting blackjack as half, etc. What should be a simple tool if it was a standard 1x calculation with game exclusions becomes quite complicated when you have varying methods of determining what play calculates at what percentage of the total requirement.

There's no need for them to provide a tool for telling you if you've met the bonus requirements. All they need to do is to allow you to know how much you've played on each game - i.e. something like the crypto log viewer which tells you you've played $1500 on BJ, $100 on slots and so on. The player can then check (s)he's done what's required. This has been talked about for years (and is the main thing people using Playcheck require) so I don't think there's a shadow of a doubt as to why such a simple thing hasn't been implemented.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

... so I don't think there's a shadow of a doubt as to why such a simple thing hasn't been implemented.

You seem to have taken a very narrow view of things lately. You also appear unwilling to consider any other possibility but yours.

What you are asking for is already available in Playcheck - you can select to view stats by game if you like.

The whole objective here is to make the tool useful. Considering the other significant development that they do (as in four new games per month) you have to realize that their priorities may not be quite the same as yours. And I daresay that players are more likely to support development of new games at the expense of reporting tools.

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

You seem to have taken a very narrow view of things lately. You also appear unwilling to consider any other possibility but yours.

I don't want to get into another mammoth thread here. I was just trying to help someone out. My view of Playcheck is pretty much accepted, as far as I'm aware - I certainly don't think it's "narrow".

Originally Posted by spearmaster

What you are asking for is already available in Playcheck - you can select to view stats by game if you like.

How do you find the total wagering for each game without adding up all the individual entries? (have they changed it so you can?)

As for the new games - that just supports the argument that a minor adjustment to playcheck wouldn't be beyond them.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by Vesuvio

I don't want to get into another mammoth thread here. I was just trying to help someone out. My view of Playcheck is pretty much accepted, as far as I'm aware - I certainly don't think it's "narrow".
How do you find the total wagering for each game without adding up all the individual entries? (have they changed it so you can?)

As for the new games - that just supports the argument that a minor adjustment to playcheck wouldn't be beyond them.

In my opinion, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is not pretty much accepted. And, this was in the context of "casino boycotting" the type of tool which you are suggesting - which is definitely not a widely-held view.

Furthermore, as I pointed out before, it makes sense to work on a much more useful tool than something which simply adds sums and still leaves the player with numerous calculations to do.

Remember when Playcheck and Cashcheck were introduced? They were innovative, and first in the industry. They've had very minor improvements since then so I agree it's time for some work - but again it will probably come down to their view of player priorities.

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

In my opinion, "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is not pretty much accepted. And, this was in the context of "casino boycotting" the type of tool which you are suggesting - which is definitely not a widely-held view.

It's a very widely-held view. Whether a majority of players hold it or not, I don't know. You don't either.

Originally Posted by spearmaster

Furthermore, as I pointed out before, it makes sense to work on a much more useful tool than something which simply adds sums and still leaves the player with numerous calculations to do.

They've had 3 or 4 years.

Originally Posted by spearmaster

They've had very minor improvements since then so I agree it's time for some work - but again it will probably come down to their view of player priorities.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. If player priorities were an issue this would have been implented many moons ago.

[pacers31]

I too agree that the playcheck feature is difficult and cumbersome. Sure the info is there, but you have to add up the number of bets at what amount in order to know where you stand. Why isn't there a simple meter that displays the total bets placed during a given session? It does give the appearance that the sites (at least MGs) want some element of confusion in this regard. It would help us out if the casinos would follow the old KISS system (keep it simple stupid!). Whether there is a hidden agenda I do not know. If there is no agenda, then why would they complicate things so much. It is along the same ridiculous lines as "Reverse Withdrawls", only useful to the casino!

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by pacers31

It is along the same ridiculous lines as "Reverse Withdrawls", only useful to the casino!

Good comparison - another example of "player priorities" at work.