RNG in free spins?

[Slotster!]

Originally Posted by Darem1

What is the best microgaming casino to try, since I want to try something other than Intercasino, where my luck has been running cold. I want to be able to play that Thunderstruck game. Which casino do all you guys and gals like the best? They have to take instacash, I'm not paying Neteller any deposit fees. Thanks for any helpful advice.

First choice for Microgaming should ALWAYS be 32RED! They do a slots bonus sign up I think as well... They're one of only two or three I personally recommend, and certainly the best. You won't be disappointed! Like I posted on t'other thread a minute ago too - otherwise try Roxy Palace or maybe Spin Palace too.

EDIT: Just re-reading your message, I'm not actually sure what Instacash is, so you'd have to ask support on that on - or one of the chaps here! I'm sure one of the three mentioned above will probably support it!

[KasinoKing]

32Red's WR is WAY too high!
Ladbrokes would be my suggestion - but no Americans!

Spin Palace or Ruby Fortune next then.
I think they both now do the bonus system where you can withdraw at any point = great if you hit an early biggie & don't want to be tied in to crazy WR!
Also they have regular 50% bonuses for low-rollers!
Don't know if they do Insta-whatsit though...?

PS: DON'T play ThunderCrap - it's a money eater. Try Ladies Nite or Spring Break instead!
Good luck!

[Darem1]

Thanks for the suggestions of new casinos to try. Too bad some don't like us yanks, (although after living in Canada I can understand why - I didn't want to come back) but I will make note of the others and give them a try.

[SlotsWizard]

I have a hunch that all free spins aren't as truly random as they appear to be. I know I mentioned this in another post but this thread is more appropriate. Avalon and Kathmandu have an extra wild symbol during the free spins — this sends off bells in my head indicating that something is clearly different during the free spins. These symbols seem to appear all the time during normal spins but not very often during free spins.

In Ho Ho Ho and Halloweenies, I tend to get excited when I see the spins being retriggered, but I notice that when they are retriggered, there tends to be that many more spins which yield nothing at all, essentially negating the retriggered spins. So I'm not sure everything is 100% as random as it is on a normal spin, but then again, who says it has to be? As long as it appears to be, that's what makes it fun.

RTG games also have a lot of differences during their free spins so I think that these features are probably more controlled than they appear to be, no matter which software you are using.

[vinylweatherman]

You are not the only one who finds it hard to believe that free spins are played out in exactly the same way as normal spins. I find it seems more than coincidence that 20 free spins often "just happen" to fall into one of those long dry spells that slots have, only to have a few wins hit in the first 10 spins straight after. It could be that the free spins are weighted, so that monster totals will sometimes happen which really gets players excited, but more poor results than expected pay for this.
I have noticed that scatters seem more likely to appear when the reels are consistently hitting nothing, and this might also explain away the poor results from free spins.

I wonder what casino operators think of this MG quirk where you can park an unfinished game but do not get automatically put back to it at next log on. While the servers are supposed to hold the data indefinitely, will too many players doing this overload the memory capacity of the servers and bring down the casinos (possibly all MG!). I am surprised the MG casino does not put you back to the same game like others do. I found this quirk out ages ago because I was continually being disconnected from the casino server, and I "found" unfinished hands that I thought never got dealt due to the disconnection. I wonder how many players have a little "nest egg" waiting in some slot for them but have not come upon it?

If enough players do this at the end of the month it may distort the payback figures a little for slots.

[Zoozie]

For MG 5 reel slots, I am 100% certain that the free spins are totally identical the the normal spins. All evidence shows that.

I remember that Simmo said that on Thunderstruck his average win was about 33.5* betsize, and this was over a very large sample. When I did the slot simulation for Thunderstruck it turned out it was indeed 35* bet size. And number of re-triggers also seems in perfect harmony with random spins.

The RNG does not know the results are used for a slot in free spin mode.

Only way to 'prove' a theory would be to collect data. So write down the average win in betsize during free spins and when we have some 1000's of these, we can calculate the average win. It does not seem to matter much which MG 5 reel slot is used at it seems the win is ranging from 31-35 times bet size. (Loaded,TallyHo and Thunderstruck are analyzed)

Zoozie

[tennis_balls]

Originally Posted by Simmo!

LOL. Perfectly okay - I think TB is being tongue-in-cheek anyway And even if he's not, I don't get upset by things like that

yep....when in doubt, you can be 99.9999% sure of two things:

1. it's rigged

2. i'm full of ................malarkey

(if you didn't get #1, refer to #2)

[Wildfire7]

I have found with the free spins, people mentioned logging out and playing them the next day, I agree that at the very least will have a good start to the next session.

But I have found a more effective way is to wait till you hit free spins, and the free spins triggers again, then you log out and continue the next day.
As the chances of the free spins retriggering for a 3rd time are very remote.
However it has happened for a 3rd time the next day.

So give it a go, you never know you might even retrigger 4 times, but you just can't do it one after the other on the same session!

Goodluck
Wildfire7

[dominique]

The have always seemed perfectly random to me.

The same slot can yield very different esults from free spins at different times.

There are definitely streaks, though.

[Simmo!]

Originally Posted by dominique

There are definitely streaks, though.

You think Dom?