Me no like InterCasino VP changes

[luanwang]

Just I've received an email from Intercasino, in that they are "pleased" to announce they altered their Payout tables for "Double bonus" video poker as following:
Hand Payout Payout Payout Payout Payout

1 coin 2 coins 3 coins 4 coins 5 coins
Royal flush 250 500 750 1000 4000
Four Aces 160 320 480 640 800
Four of 2, 3, or 4 80 160 240 320 400
Straight flush 50 100 150 200 250
Four of a Kind 50 100 150 200 250
Full house 9 18 27 36 45
Flush 7 14 21 28 35
Straight 5 10 15 20 25
Three of a kind 3 6 9 12 15
Two Pairs 1 2 3 4 5
Jacks or Better 1 2 3 4 5


According to the new payout tables the total return is only 99.1065% (for old poyout table the return is 99.9367%). But the gold symbol "certified over 100% return" is always shown over the payout table.

what a dishonest casino!!!!!

 

[Weedlayer]

Intercasino Double Bonus VP Downgrade

Intercasino has slashed their payback on double bonus video poker, and calls it an upgrade!

I just received an email from Intercasino entitled "true to life Video Poker."

Intercasino has changed the paytable on DB VP so that it matches what you would find on the Las Vegas strip-which is actually lousy!

Here's a quote from the email:

We are pleased to announce an upgrade in our Video Poker games. The games that include the Double Bonus feature, have had their payout tables altered to match that which is found in the land based casinos.

The payback under the old paytable with expert computer-perfect play was .99937. Now it's .991. Does this sound like an upgrade to you?

It's their casino, but c'mon Ryan I don't appreciate the snow job.

 

[Simmo!]

Shame. It was a generous paytable to be fair. But it was the only game i play(ed) at Crypto casinos Ah well. Maybe it'll be good news for them, but I expect the competition are also quite happy about it.

 

[TrickyNicky]

oh well have been playing this for a while, wont worry so much anymore .
I am currently involved in a dispute with them - I played this morning (single hand @ $5 a spin), and it displayed the old paytable. I noticed after a while that it was only returning my bet ($5) for two pairs - whereas the paytable said it should have been $10. I went to the log, and had 12 hands where I recieved $5 rather than $10. I have emailed them, but they are insisting it is the new paytable that they are abiding to, they just hadn't updated it on the software. In my opinion they should definitely abide to whatever paytable is displayed! But I don't seem to be getting anywhere .
Any thoughts?
TN

 

[vedat]

why blame

so whathappens if they changed the game play in another casino they give bonuses every month to every player and they dont give stupid bull shıt like you played roulette you cant cash out they process cash out fast so what if they changed one of their games to less odds just dont play that game

 

[The Dude]

Just I've received an email from Intercasino, in that they are "pleased" to announce they altered their Payout tables for "Double bonus" video poker as following:...what a dishonest casino!!!!!

Sorry, you feel miffed (upset), but I don't see this as cheating. Yes, it sucks that the payout table has changed - but that's just the way things go.

 

[Simmo!]

oh well have been playing this for a while, wont worry so much anymore .
I am currently involved in a dispute with them - I played this morning (single hand @ $5 a spin), and it displayed the old paytable. I noticed after a while that it was only returning my bet ($5) for two pairs - whereas the paytable said it should have been $10. I went to the log, and had 12 hands where I recieved $5 rather than $10. I have emailed them, but they are insisting it is the new paytable that they are abiding to, they just hadn't updated it on the software. In my opinion they should definitely abide to whatever paytable is displayed! But I don't seem to be getting anywhere .
Any thoughts?
TN

As long as you grabbed a screenshot of the paytable, they should honour it I'd have thought.

 

[luanwang]

Sorry, you feel miffed (upset), but I don't see this as cheating. Yes, it sucks that the payout table has changed - but that's just the way things go.

Changing Payout table is certainly not cheating. What I mean is the "Gold symbol" which show the "certified over 100% return" over the payout table because according to their new payout table the return is not over 100% any more!

 

[paul1]

As long as you grabbed a screenshot of the paytable, they should honour it I'd have thought.

That's not going to happen. And besides, they've been a very generous and user friendly casino for years. Obviously they have to defend themselves at some point. They've probably been getting hammered on the old double bonus. Yes, I'm like everyone else, I LOVED that old game. I guess all good things come to an end sometime.

4200 for a royal, rest in peace.

Btw, I don't know if anyone else said it yet, but I think optimal strategy for this new 9-7 double bonus is WAY different than jacks-or-better strategy. Some intricate strategy differences and I think penalty cards, the whole works. And all that for 99.1. lol no thanks

 

[paul1]

oh well have been playing this for a while, wont worry so much anymore .
I am currently involved in a dispute with them - I played this morning (single hand @ $5 a spin), and it displayed the old paytable. I noticed after a while that it was only returning my bet ($5) for two pairs - whereas the paytable said it should have been $10. I went to the log, and had 12 hands where I recieved $5 rather than $10. I have emailed them, but they are insisting it is the new paytable that they are abiding to, they just hadn't updated it on the software. In my opinion they should definitely abide to whatever paytable is displayed! But I don't seem to be getting anywhere .
Any thoughts?
TN

Yes, but if you got a straight, you got paid 25 instead of 20, and 35 for the flush, etc. Same thing happened to me. I wouldn't fight them on that if I were you. Just be happy that they are what they are, a very user friendly casino. Wish for them continued success, and hope other casinos would be like them.

 

[paul1]

Changing Payout table is certainly not cheating. What I mean is the "Gold symbol" which show the "certified over 100% return" over the payout table because according to their new payout table the return is not over 100% any more!

My bet is that they'll change that wording. Be patient. Give Intercasino a break. They are one of the best!

 

[The Dude]

Admin note: upgraded the thread title from "cheating again" to "me no like". I don't think they are cheating again.

I'll contact them and bring this up to their attention though.

 

[TrickyNicky]

I only played about 30 hands, hit one flush and nothing else that would have paid more on the paytable. They had not sent out any info saying the game had changed - and the original paytable was being displayed. I feel strongly here that they should abide by whatever was being displayed on the paytable.
I did grab a screenshot, but they don't really seem interested, although apparently the manager (ryan) will be getting back to me as he is reviewing this.
It's only $60 but a pretty important principle in my opinion. If they don't honour their own paytable, then they're as bad as some of the other casinos out there and I wont be touching them again
TN

 

[johnsteed]

Mislead...

Casinomeister

Admin note: upgraded the thread title from "cheating again" to "me no like". I don't think they are cheating again.

I'll contact them and bring this up to their attention though.

Wow, before even reading this thread, I was half-expecting that The Incredible Hulk was making a post (the "me no like" alterration"). As I understand, there's a whole bunch of Marvel games added recently.

Darn, after clicking on the icon, I was getting all excited to hear "HULK- SMASH!!!!!" followed by a cameo appearance of Stan Lee. Oh, well.

 

[caruso]

EDIT: I posted a screenshot from what was apparently a non-upgraded version. The screenshot above is correct.

 

[KasinoKing]

My bet is that they'll change that wording. Be patient. Give Intercasino a break. They are one of the best!

Agreed! If the payout really was over 100% then I'm blooming glad they've changed it.
The last thing I'd want is for one of the best casinos on the net to go bust!

 

[caruso]

I thought this poster was having me on, having checked an old download version and got the old paytable. Then I read the other thread (locked), and it confirmed a load of email hocus-pocus from Intercasino about "new, improved" paytables now 1% downgraded.

Intercasino are not cheating - they are LYING. Nice move for a software company listed on the various stock exchanges. And the "100% certified" stamp is a BLATANTLY fraudulent claim. This is not "me no like", this is "Intercasino are lying". They willfully downgraded the paytable - this wasn't an adjustment, it was a downgrade. But they conveniently forgot to remove the "100%" stamp, to keep the punters coming.

This is a nice big, fat black mark against Inter's name. Lauding 1% downgrades as "improved" is the stuff of junk marketeering at it's worst, and puts me in mind of George Orwell's 1984, in which chocolate rations were cut, only to be announced as "increased chocolate rations".

What a pretty parallel.

What are you up to, Ryan?

 

[scrollock]

Just I've received an email from Intercasino, in that they are "pleased" to announce they altered their Payout tables for "Double bonus" video poker as following:
Hand Payout Payout Payout Payout Payout

1 coin 2 coins 3 coins 4 coins 5 coins
Royal flush 250 500 750 1000 4000
Four Aces 160 320 480 640 800
Four of 2, 3, or 4 80 160 240 320 400
Straight flush 50 100 150 200 250
Four of a Kind 50 100 150 200 250
Full house 9 18 27 36 45
Flush 7 14 21 28 35
Straight 5 10 15 20 25
Three of a kind 3 6 9 12 15
Two Pairs 1 2 3 4 5
Jacks or Better 1 2 3 4 5


According to the new payout tables the total return is only 99.1065% (for old poyout table the return is 99.9367%). But the gold symbol "certified over 100% return" is always shown over the payout table.

what a dishonest casino!!!!!

if the payout use to be 99.9367 % then it wasn't over 100% before the changes, so the VP 100% claim is no more dishonest now than what it was before.

 

[paul1]

if the payout use to be 99.9367 % then it wasn't over 100% before the changes, so the VP 100% claim is no more dishonest now than what it was before.

What about including the .1% comp?

 

[scrollock]

What about including the .1% comp?

ahh right, i take back what i said

 

[The Dude]

Me no like Caruso's attitude

...Intercasino are not cheating - they are LYING. Nice move for a software company listed on the various stock exchanges. And the "100% certified" stamp is a BLATANTLY fraudulent claim. This is not "me no like", this is "Intercasino are lying". They willfully downgraded the paytable - this wasn't an adjustment, it was a downgrade. But they conveniently forgot to remove the "100%" stamp, to keep the punters coming.

This is a nice big, fat black mark against Inter's name. Lauding 1% downgrades as "improved" is the stuff of junk marketeering at it's worst, and puts me in mind of George Orwell's 1984, in which chocolate rations were cut, only to be announced as "increased chocolate rations".

What a pretty parallel.

What are you up to, Ryan?

This exactly the kind of post that turns off any casino rep from joining the discussion. Caruso has been warned over and over and over again about the language he chooses to use. That's it for now. Account suspended 30 days.

 

[gfkostas]

Even though carusos post is out of line it will be laughable for us to claim that Intercasino does not mislead their punters in this particular occasion.Be it a mistake or whatever as long as the "100% certified" stamp is there they do lie in a way.Now that this matter has been brought to the attention of the public the longer it stays there the less good it does for them.Am sure they will rectify this frivolous error soon.

 

[The Dude]

Even though carusos post is out of line it will be laughable for us to claim that Intercasino does not mislead their punters in this particular occasion.Be it a mistake or whatever as long as the "100% certified" stamp is there they do lie in a way.Now that this matter has been brought to the attention of the public the longer it stays there the less good it does for them.Am sure they will rectify this frivolous error soon.

True, but I'm concerned about Caruso's attitude toward this forum and its members. Posts like his inhibit casino operators and reps; they're not going to get involved in any discussion if they are immediately put on the defensive.

This forum isn't about jumping in, getting all emotional, and jabbing people at will. This is about solving problems and discussing issues while showing respect to fellow members.

People should remember that you need not verbalize everything that comes to mind.

 

[gfkostas]

True, but I'm concerned about Caruso's attitude toward this forum and its members. Posts like his inhibit casino operators and reps; they're not going to get involved in any discussion if they are immediately put on the defensive.

This forum isn't about jumping in, getting all emotional, and jabbing people at will. This is about solving problems and discussing issues while showing respect to fellow members.

People should remember that you need not verbalize everything that comes to mind.

Agreed

Having a conflict is quite different from disagreeing and caruso seems in my eyes to want to have a conflict with how he talks.I wouldn't necessarily make him or anyone wrong because of the way some people choose to express themselves however we have a forum etiquette here which we 'have' to abide by.If we dont like it we leg it or get suspended/banned.Nobody is wrong or right it's just the way things work around here.Quite simple

 

[Tdoggy]

ouch!!!

30 days for that! Wow and I thought my 2 day suspension was bad He was a bit harsh but is correct. It is wrong of them to do. And Inter is a top of the line casino. When will Ryan reply? This I wait to se....

 

[paul1]

Hey I just learned something pretty strange. According to what I'm reading, with this new 9-7 double bonus, if you are dealt AAA66, the right play is you should discard the pair of 6s. That's pretty different. Does anyone here think they could do it? Especially if you're playing for bigger stakes?

 

[gfkostas]

30 days for that! Wow and I thought my 2 day suspension was bad He was a bit harsh but is correct. It is wrong of them to do. And Inter is a top of the line casino. When will Ryan reply? This I wait to se....

I think there are a number of posts that gave him 30days and not just this post.

Interesting to see how swift intercasino will be

 

[the5thellement]

Whether Caruso's post is too strongly worded or not, one thing within it is completely true: Intercasino is lying and misleading players and this is not only unethical, but also unacceptable from a supposed leader in the industry.

Any casino has the right to change their paytable, but to blatently lie about it's payout and to tell the player that the payout is actually better then before is not right. This is misrepresentation pure and simple. In any regulated industry this would be noticed, changed and then punished, in the online casino world the punished is the one who brings it to light.

Sure Caruso's post was overbearing, but in this industry, being non-regulated, subtle comments are often overlooked and overbearing is often the only way to get noticed.

 

[paul1]

Any casino has the right to change their paytable, but to blatently lie about it's payout and to tell the player that the payout is actually better then before is not right. This is misrepresentation pure and simple. In any regulated industry this would be noticed, changed and then punished, in the online casino world the punished is the one who brings it to light.

Maybe they could "punish" Intercasino by not letting them give us our November bonus. Geez, I don't believe some of you guys. This casino has bent over backwards to treat its players well. They're always throwing out free money and promotions and Ryan himself sits next to you at the gaming table and hands you a C-note. Geez, and they pay fast. What else can you want? I think some mountains are being made out of mole hills.

 

[chuchu59]

Just I've received an email from Intercasino, in that they are "pleased" to announce they altered their Payout tables for "Double bonus" video poker as following:
Hand Payout Payout Payout Payout Payout

1 coin 2 coins 3 coins 4 coins 5 coins
Royal flush 250 500 750 1000 4000
Four Aces 160 320 480 640 800
Four of 2, 3, or 4 80 160 240 320 400
Straight flush 50 100 150 200 250
Four of a Kind 50 100 150 200 250
Full house 9 18 27 36 45
Flush 7 14 21 28 35
Straight 5 10 15 20 25
Three of a kind 3 6 9 12 15
Two Pairs 1 2 3 4 5
Jacks or Better 1 2 3 4 5


According to the new payout tables the total return is only 99.1065% (for old poyout table the return is 99.9367%). But the gold symbol "certified over 100% return" is always shown over the payout table.

what a dishonest casino!!!!!

If it still bears the certified over 100% return gold symbol,this is definitely wrong and entice those who take their monthly bonuses to play this game in the hope they would at least cash out their bonuses and deposits. It seems that this symbol should have been removed quite some time ago since the return has already been under 100% since it was 99.9376%. They should do the right thing and remove this immediately.

 

[ryan_hartley]

Dear Players,

Thank you for your feedback on the Double Bonus Video Poker payout changes. I would like to advise to all the players, that the payouts were reviewed by an independent Math wizard who specialises in the gaming industry. The changes that we have brought about are the same payouts as the land based casinos and this is part of our way to make InterCasino as true to life as possible.

With regards to the 'Certified Over 100& Return' symbols, I am looking into this matter with urgency and I would like to stress that we not attempting to mislead our players in the least. This was an error on our part, and for that I do sincerely apologise.

InterCasino is very conscious about ensuring that our players are treated fairly and ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts. Added to that, I personally ensure that we constantly reward our players for their loyalty.

Kind regards

Ryan Hartley
Manager - InterCasino

 

[Weedlayer]

...The changes that we have brought about are the same payouts as the land based casinos...

...ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts...

I can list 39 Las Vegas casinos that pay 10 for a full house and 7 for a flush with the rest of the paytable being the same as yours.

Thanks for joining in this thread Ryan.

 

[Weedlayer]

...Btw, I don't know if anyone else said it yet, but I think optimal strategy for this new 9-7 double bonus is WAY different than jacks-or-better strategy. Some intricate strategy differences and I think penalty cards, the whole works. And all that for 99.1. lol no thanks

All the different versions of Double Bonus are very, very difficult to play perfectly. Virtually no one who plays will achieve the stated return. That's why land based casinos are able to offer higher paying versions of DB than Intercasino is offering now.

 

[mary]

Video poker paytables have been cut back at the majority of land casinos.

Intercasino's marketing email and the "100%" medallion however are deceptive; the medallion would get a land operator in trouble with regulators.

Really, I'm surprised to see this at a casino of the size and caliber of Intercasino.

 

[CJack]

The last playable VP at IC is no more.

Really sad.

 

[CJack]

I am very surprised that IC went the low route when announcing this "upgrade". Also not having all the software correct at the launch of the "upgrade" smells of skullduggery.

You only remain #1 by your actions !!!
.

 

[thelawnet]

Sorry, you feel miffed (upset), but I don't see this as cheating. Yes, it sucks that the payout table has changed - but that's just the way things go.

I agree that they have the right to change their paytable. This is fine, no problem, they could make them pay out 80%, as it is their casino.

However, sending out emails claiming to have improved the game when in fact what they have done is reduced the payout is wilfully deceptive. This is not acceptable in any way. Casinos must not set out to deceive their players.

 

[thelawnet]

Maybe they could "punish" Intercasino by not letting them give us our November bonus. Geez, I don't believe some of you guys. This casino has bent over backwards to treat its players well. They're always throwing out free money and promotions and Ryan himself sits next to you at the gaming table and hands you a C-note. Geez, and they pay fast. What else can you want? I think some mountains are being made out of mole hills.

This is all true, so why would they want to damage their goodwill by sending out deceptive emails? It doesn't make sense. Neither does it forgive sending people misleading emails.

 

[paul1]

This is all true, so why would they want to damage their goodwill by sending out deceptive emails? It doesn't make sense. Neither does it forgive sending people misleading emails.

I don't know, thelawnet. I think gamblers are typically just a little too sensitive. I don't really see this as a big deal. Like I said, I too am sorry to see that old double bonus become extinct. But times change, and I still think they were probably getting hammered on that. There's a lot of clever gamblers out there.

I think I mentioned in this thread that I probably wouldn't play this new version. But on second thought, it's probably not that bad, especially when they give you bonuses all the time.

Anyway, more and more I'm just playing regular poker now days. Poker rooms are not as sensitive about you winning money as are many casinos. I think my days of getting casino bonuses are about over. I currently have a dispute against another casino in another software and I just don't want to fight anyone. It leaves a bitter taste and I just want to have a good time gambling. Life's too short. I want to have fun, not fight.

Anyway, I know I've said it too many times already and it may get sickening. But Intercasino is GREAT, no matter what their double bonus pays. lol

 

[paul1]

All the different versions of Double Bonus are very, very difficult to play perfectly. Virtually no one who plays will achieve the stated return. That's why land based casinos are able to offer higher paying versions of DB than Intercasino is offering now.

Hi Weedlayer. Today, since the big hoopla over Intercasino's double bonus video poker, I've been reading up on the game. I found it interesting that if you play perfect jacks-or-better strategy on a 10-7 double bonus game, it actually returns 99.63%, which is better than regular 9-6 JOB. The book I'm reading says that if you just make a few adjustments you are almost at an even game.

Of course, that's for 10-7. So I'm guessing that if you just play JOB strategy on Intercasino's new game you would still be just a little under 99%

So it's not the end of the world.

I still find it fascinating that in this game it is correct to break two pair Aces-up, and draw three cards. Or that you should also break a dealt AAA55 and throw the pair away. Interesting, eh?

 

[phynqster]

Bryan,
I would like to put in thought here, not based on the thread, but based on Carusos comments and your banning of him.
I think it was a wrong call by you for a number of reasons. Firstly as an ex-casino manager who had definite major run ins with Caruso, I always felt he was speaking his mind and was able to listen to both sides of a story objectively. Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice. I do not think he has ever been the cause of casino operators not to respond, he is just one of many who jump on a bandwagon. I applaud you on your recent efforts to try and enforce the rule of posters contacting the casino first before posting, but it is too little to late. If you truly wanted that, than you would lock a thread as soon as it is posted for 24 hours to make sure the casino is informed, and we all know that wont happen and shouldnt. This is a forum, a meeting of the minds, and as long as someone is not using this forum for a personal gain, than they should get to speak their mind, and we as the readers should get to decide what and who we approve and disapprove of. I hope you take a minute and reconsider your decision.

 

[thelawnet]

Hi Weedlayer. Today, since the big hoopla over Intercasino's double bonus video poker, I've been reading up on the game. I found it interesting that if you play perfect jacks-or-better strategy on a 10-7 double bonus game, it actually returns 99.63%, which is better than regular 9-6 JOB. The book I'm reading says that if you just make a few adjustments you are almost at an even game.

Of course, that's for 10-7. So I'm guessing that if you just play JOB strategy on Intercasino's new game you would still be just a little under 99%

So it's not the end of the world.

I still find it fascinating that in this game it is correct to break two pair Aces-up, and draw three cards. Or that you should also break a dealt AAA55 and throw the pair away. Interesting, eh?

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Given the difficulty of play, I would be surprised if many people got an actual return above 99%. With the next best game their woeful 98.3% Jacks or Better, serious video poker players (or at least the clued-up players not fooled by the emails where they lie about having improved their game when they have actually made it worse) will go elsewhere.

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

 

[largeeyes]

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Given the difficulty of play, I would be surprised if many people got an actual return above 99%. With the next best game their woeful 98.3% Jacks or Better, serious video poker players (or at least the clued-up players not fooled by the emails where they lie about having improved their game when they have actually made it worse) will go elsewhere.

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

Not to jump to Intercasino's defense, but I think Slotland still holds that honor.

 

[paul1]

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Yes, it is more difficult. I was just saying how I read what would happen if you employed jacks-or-better strategy.

On the old Crypto "Double Bonus", it worked quite well. On true 10-7 Double Bonus, according to what I was reading, it would net 99.63.

So I'm going to guess that if one employs JOB strategy on this new 9-7 Double Bonus, you'd still be in about the 98.60 range. Not the end of the world. Fine tune it a little bit and easily come up to 99.00%.

I'm still inclined to continue playing more real poker (holdem) and less casino games. It's easier to make money.

 

[The Dude]

Bryan,
I would like to put in thought here, not based on the thread, but based on Carusos comments and your banning of him.
I think it was a wrong call by you for a number of reasons. Firstly as an ex-casino manager who had definite major run ins with Caruso, I always felt he was speaking his mind and was able to listen to both sides of a story objectively. Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice. I do not think he has ever been the cause of casino operators not to respond, he is just one of many who jump on a bandwagon. I applaud you on your recent efforts to try and enforce the rule of posters contacting the casino first before posting, but it is too little to late. If you truly wanted that, than you would lock a thread as soon as it is posted for 24 hours to make sure the casino is informed, and we all know that wont happen and shouldnt. This is a forum, a meeting of the minds, and as long as someone is not using this forum for a personal gain, than they should get to speak their mind, and we as the readers should get to decide what and who we approve and disapprove of. I hope you take a minute and reconsider your decision.

Hi Phynqster,

You may think it was wrong, but after you understand that I have warned Caruso countless times to mellow out - he refuses to do so. If you check out his profile, and read some of his postings and my warnings over the last year or two, you'll see that I have been more than patient with him.

In my opinion, he shows little respect for this board and for the members here as well. This I won't tolerate - simple as that.

Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice.

This is okay - this happens - we all do this at one time or another. But when this happens with most postings, then it is time to take a break - especially if one is warned repeatedly to knock it off. A camel's back can only withstand so many straws...

 

[CJack]

Summary:

IC lowered the paytable by about 0.8%.
A very large amount for serious vp poker players.

They announce the change as an upgrade - which smells like a long dead fish.
Fitting for rogue casinos - but IC ?
What's changing at IC ??

They keep up their "over 100" icons which is falde advertising.
Fitting for rogue casinos - but IC ?
What's changing at IC ??

Caruso is banned for 30 days for telling the truth but typing in an unappreciated style. I use unappreciated because I like his style but I do not set the standards for this forum.

 

[spearmaster]

I'm leaning towards this being a silly mistake more than anything else. I just can't see Intercasino setting out to do this deliberately. I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

As for the email, I haven't personally seen it yet. I would like to see the exact wording myself before saying anything further there.

 

[The Dude]

...With regards to the 'Certified Over 100& Return' symbols, I am looking into this matter with urgency and I would like to stress that we not attempting to mislead our players in the least. This was an error on our part, and for that I do sincerely apologise.
InterCasino is very conscious about ensuring that our players are treated fairly and ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts. Added to that, I personally ensure that we constantly reward our players for their loyalty.

I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

Exactly. This is not some clip joint trying to intentionally deceive players. It's a poorly worded email (which I haven't seen either - and I'm a big time VP player there) and an issue about some 100% certifications that need to be removed -- which in fact have been there for quite a while. I never paid them much attention.

I agree with Spear - it's a silly mistake, but not one for grabbing the pitchforks and torches.

 

[KasinoKing]

I'm leaning towards this being a silly mistake more than anything else. I just can't see Intercasino setting out to do this deliberately. I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

As for the email, I haven't personally seen it yet. I would like to see the exact wording myself before saying anything further there.

Yep, agreed. Silly mistake is all it is.
Just like advertising the new Bejewelled slot as a 9-line when it's actually 10 (See my 'Are Intercasino drunk?' thread).
OK, they're getting a bit sloppy these days, but 'lying' & deliberately trying to 'cheat' players? I think these terms are a little harsh.
I'm with Paul - give em a break, and a little time. They will sort out this error.

Oh, and who added that stupid poll to this thread, with only the one-sided questions?
How about 'They were paying out over 100% so changed it quickly to correct this, but forgot to change the graphics'!
(No excuse for the 'upgrade' e-mail thou )

 

[jetset]

I agree with KK and Spear here...my feel is that this is a screw-up rather than an attempt to deliberately deceive players with malice aforethought.

It was silly and there is real justification for criticism in regard to the 100 percent still being up and of course the statement that the game has improved from a player's perspective when it hasn't, but I honestly don't believe Intercasino is crooked.

It's typical of perhaps a VP knowledge challenged marketing guy trying to put a positive spin on what he has been told is an upgrade. Unsatisfactory, I know but it happens.