Me no like InterCasino VP changes

[phynqster]

Bryan,
I would like to put in thought here, not based on the thread, but based on Caruso’s comments and your banning of him.
I think it was a wrong call by you for a number of reasons. Firstly as an ex-casino manager who had definite major run ins with Caruso, I always felt he was speaking his mind and was able to listen to both sides of a story objectively. Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice. I do not think he has ever been the cause of casino operators not to respond, he is just one of many who jump on a bandwagon. I applaud you on your recent efforts to try and enforce the rule of posters contacting the casino first before posting, but it is too little to late. If you truly wanted that, than you would lock a thread as soon as it is posted for 24 hours to make sure the casino is informed, and we all know that wont happen and shouldn’t. This is a forum, a meeting of the minds, and as long as someone is not using this forum for a personal gain, than they should get to speak their mind, and we as the readers should get to decide what and who we approve and disapprove of. I hope you take a minute and reconsider your decision.

[thelawnet]

Hi Weedlayer. Today, since the big hoopla over Intercasino's double bonus video poker, I've been reading up on the game. I found it interesting that if you play perfect jacks-or-better strategy on a 10-7 double bonus game, it actually returns 99.63%, which is better than regular 9-6 JOB. The book I'm reading says that if you just make a few adjustments you are almost at an even game.

Of course, that's for 10-7. So I'm guessing that if you just play JOB strategy on Intercasino's new game you would still be just a little under 99%

So it's not the end of the world.

I still find it fascinating that in this game it is correct to break two pair Aces-up, and draw three cards. Or that you should also break a dealt AAA55 and throw the pair away. Interesting, eh?

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Given the difficulty of play, I would be surprised if many people got an actual return above 99%. With the next best game their woeful 98.3% Jacks or Better, serious video poker players (or at least the clued-up players not fooled by the emails where they lie about having improved their game when they have actually made it worse) will go elsewhere.

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

[largeeyes]

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Given the difficulty of play, I would be surprised if many people got an actual return above 99%. With the next best game their woeful 98.3% Jacks or Better, serious video poker players (or at least the clued-up players not fooled by the emails where they lie about having improved their game when they have actually made it worse) will go elsewhere.

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

Not to jump to Intercasino's defense, but I think Slotland still holds that honor.

[paul1]

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Yes, it is more difficult. I was just saying how I read what would happen if you employed jacks-or-better strategy.

On the old Crypto "Double Bonus", it worked quite well. On true 10-7 Double Bonus, according to what I was reading, it would net 99.63.

So I'm going to guess that if one employs JOB strategy on this new 9-7 Double Bonus, you'd still be in about the 98.60 range. Not the end of the world. Fine tune it a little bit and easily come up to 99.00%.

I'm still inclined to continue playing more real poker (holdem) and less casino games. It's easier to make money.

[Casinomeister]

Bryan,
I would like to put in thought here, not based on the thread, but based on Caruso’s comments and your banning of him.
I think it was a wrong call by you for a number of reasons. Firstly as an ex-casino manager who had definite major run ins with Caruso, I always felt he was speaking his mind and was able to listen to both sides of a story objectively. Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice. I do not think he has ever been the cause of casino operators not to respond, he is just one of many who jump on a bandwagon. I applaud you on your recent efforts to try and enforce the rule of posters contacting the casino first before posting, but it is too little to late. If you truly wanted that, than you would lock a thread as soon as it is posted for 24 hours to make sure the casino is informed, and we all know that wont happen and shouldn’t. This is a forum, a meeting of the minds, and as long as someone is not using this forum for a personal gain, than they should get to speak their mind, and we as the readers should get to decide what and who we approve and disapprove of. I hope you take a minute and reconsider your decision.

Hi Phynqster,

You may think it was wrong, but after you understand that I have warned Caruso countless times to mellow out - he refuses to do so. If you check out his profile, and read some of his postings and my warnings over the last year or two, you'll see that I have been more than patient with him.

In my opinion, he shows little respect for this board and for the members here as well. This I won't tolerate - simple as that.

Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice.

This is okay - this happens - we all do this at one time or another. But when this happens with most postings, then it is time to take a break - especially if one is warned repeatedly to knock it off. A camel's back can only withstand so many straws...

[CJack]

Summary:

IC lowered the paytable by about 0.8%.
A very large amount for serious vp poker players.

They announce the change as an upgrade - which smells like a long dead fish.
Fitting for rogue casinos - but IC ?
What's changing at IC ??

They keep up their "over 100" icons which is falde advertising.
Fitting for rogue casinos - but IC ?
What's changing at IC ??

Caruso is banned for 30 days for telling the truth but typing in an unappreciated style. I use unappreciated because I like his style but I do not set the standards for this forum.

[spearmaster]

I'm leaning towards this being a silly mistake more than anything else. I just can't see Intercasino setting out to do this deliberately. I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

As for the email, I haven't personally seen it yet. I would like to see the exact wording myself before saying anything further there.

[Casinomeister]

...With regards to the 'Certified Over 100& Return' symbols, I am looking into this matter with urgency and I would like to stress that we not attempting to mislead our players in the least. This was an error on our part, and for that I do sincerely apologise.
InterCasino is very conscious about ensuring that our players are treated fairly and ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts. Added to that, I personally ensure that we constantly reward our players for their loyalty.

I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

Exactly. This is not some clip joint trying to intentionally deceive players. It's a poorly worded email (which I haven't seen either - and I'm a big time VP player there) and an issue about some 100% certifications that need to be removed -- which in fact have been there for quite a while. I never paid them much attention.

I agree with Spear - it's a silly mistake, but not one for grabbing the pitchforks and torches.

[KasinoKing]

I'm leaning towards this being a silly mistake more than anything else. I just can't see Intercasino setting out to do this deliberately. I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

As for the email, I haven't personally seen it yet. I would like to see the exact wording myself before saying anything further there.

Yep, agreed. Silly mistake is all it is.
Just like advertising the new Bejewelled slot as a 9-line when it's actually 10 (See my 'Are Intercasino drunk?' thread).
OK, they're getting a bit sloppy these days, but 'lying' & deliberately trying to 'cheat' players? I think these terms are a little harsh.
I'm with Paul - give em a break, and a little time. They will sort out this error.

Oh, and who added that stupid poll to this thread, with only the one-sided questions?
How about 'They were paying out over 100% so changed it quickly to correct this, but forgot to change the graphics'!
(No excuse for the 'upgrade' e-mail thou )

[jetset]

I agree with KK and Spear here...my feel is that this is a screw-up rather than an attempt to deliberately deceive players with malice aforethought.

It was silly and there is real justification for criticism in regard to the 100 percent still being up and of course the statement that the game has improved from a player's perspective when it hasn't, but I honestly don't believe Intercasino is crooked.

It's typical of perhaps a VP knowledge challenged marketing guy trying to put a positive spin on what he has been told is an upgrade. Unsatisfactory, I know but it happens.