Vegas Frontier and FortuneLounge Spam

**dominique** · 28th November 2005, 06:43 PM

I was also removed and am getting more spam.

Now they apparently gave the list to someone called sara marks (sender) and this one not only uses it to spam fortune casinos but other casinos too.

**mary** · 29th November 2005, 05:08 AM

The evil that is Bercovitz will not be denied!

Whaddya know. They are still sending me Fortune Lounge spam.

The fake "return to" entry has it sent back to me as a bounce.

Notice the deceptive email addresses; this has nothing to do with a "frontier acocunt" that I don't have; and of course I'm not eligible for these FORTUNE EFFING LOUNGE signup offers.

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**Ivy29** · 29th November 2005, 01:28 PM

I got one of those MAILER DAEMON things the other day from this jackass myself. No limit to what they will try to get your attention.

I always know its one of these people because they have it said on high priority and there's a ! next to it. Plus, no matter what bullsh*t email address it says it's coming from, OE knows it's them and trashes it.

Nothing has changed. I've not done a recent unsubscribed or emailed anyone about it. I've been down that road before with them and it didn't work.

At least they quit calling me at home with those 10% bonus offers. What a joke that is.

I haven't done the PAB thing either, but if more are needed I can do that.

What I'd really like to know is where they got my email address in the first place.

**Casinomeister** · 29th November 2005, 02:00 PM

I would recommend that anyone still receiving "spam" contact Spamcop:
http://www.spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml

Also, casinos who feel that what they are doing isn't spamming need to read this:
http://www.spamhaus.org/definition.html

Technical Definition of Spam

An electronic message is "spam" IF:

(1) the recipient's personal identity and context are irrelevant because the message is equally applicable to many other potential recipients;

AND

(2) the recipient has not verifiably granted deliberate, explicit, and still-revocable permission for it to be sent.

Spam is an issue about consent, not content. Whether the UBE (Unsolicited Bulk Email) message is an advert, a scam, porn, a begging letter or an offer of a free lunch, the content is irrelevant - if the message was sent unsolicited and in bulk then the message is spam.

We also need to remind ourselves that the spam is not coming directly from the casinos, but from the people their marketing group choose to do business with. Nevertheless, the casinos need to take direct responsibility. For Joe player, it's all the same.

**inthedesert** · 29th November 2005, 10:35 PM

I don't know who to point the finger at on this one. I know it's gotta be either ecorga or FL seeing Bryan doesn't have my personal email addresses. Will you PLEASE quit trying to unsubscribe me from the lists. It doesn't work, as seen below. It also is telling the spammer I am alive and well. I am getting a ton of spam all of a sudden from a bunch of new places.

this address was previously blocked on
Fri Nov 04 14:XX:00 2005

**GrandMaster** · 30th November 2005, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by inthedesert

I don't know who to point the finger at on this one. I know it's gotta be either ecorga or FL seeing Bryan doesn't have my personal email addresses. Will you PLEASE quit trying to unsubscribe me from the lists. It doesn't work, as seen below. It also is telling the spammer I am alive and well. I am getting a ton of spam all of a sudden from a bunch of new places.

I got three of these today. At the same time, the Fortune Lounge spam keeps coming. Today's offer is 15OO free (note the O's not 0's). I filter anything containing "Driftwood" unread into the trash. Unless you expect legitimate mail about driftwood, this is an easy way of getting rid of FL spam.

**vinylweatherman** · 3rd December 2005, 11:40 PM

I posted a great deal over the last few days on the subject of the Microgaming Loop. The only other forum I have posted on recently is the Online Blackjack forum. Now I have had a veritable avalanche of "Fortune Lounge spam" from Driftwood Bay, Belize. They use a multitude of different sender addresses, but the link at the bottom shows it is always this marketing address, which is the same one that appears on mailers from Jackpot Factory. The "Gotcha!" is this, they are sending them to 'vinylweatherman', the E-mail used for posting on this forum, NOT for registering at any casino group. I believe this is NOT a legitimate opt-in, but simply a bot harvest on Casinomeister, Blackjack guide and other casino fora for likely targets' E-mail addresses.
I am not sure whether this method of compliation of a list is legal under the can spam act, but probably is in Belize.

If these were legitimate mailers, they would come to my "real" E-mail that I register at casinos with. Before this, I had been getting none of this Fortune lounge spam, despite having played one of their casinos and opted in to receive their own mailers. It is clearly an unethical marketing operation, not a "rogue affiliate" that is responsible for all this. This might appear to let Fortune Lounge off the hook, but no, it's all from this one company, so they should not find it a problem to insist they stop by cutting off payments to them so they gain nothing by harvesting E-mail addresses for their campaigns.

**Macgyver** · 4th December 2005, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

The "Gotcha!" is this, they are sending them to 'vinylweatherman', the E-mail used for posting on this forum, NOT for registering at any casino group. I believe this is NOT a legitimate opt-in, but simply a bot harvest on Casinomeister, Blackjack guide and other casino fora for likely targets' E-mail addresses.

I can pretty much guarantee you that your email address at the "Blackjack guide" forum you mention WAS NOT sold to anybody. The only reason I say "pretty much" is I'd have to ask one person about it, but I'm confident about what his answer would be.

I would feel more comfortable being more forthcoming in PM's if necessary (so as not to appear to be manipulating Bryan's board), but anyone who goes to here and there can pretty much see why I would feel so strongly about this.

P.S. Not saying anyone was accusing anyone else of that, but I'm nipping it in the bud before anyone can even think of it.

**Casinomeister** · 4th December 2005, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Macgyver

I can pretty much guarantee you that your email address at the "Blackjack guide" forum you mention WAS NOT sold to anybody. The only reason I say "pretty much" is I'd have to ask one person about it, but I'm confident about what his answer would be.

I would feel more comfortable being more forthcoming in PM's if necessary (so as not to appear to be manipulating Bryan's board), but anyone who goes to here and there can pretty much see why I would feel so strongly about this.

P.S. Not saying anyone was accusing anyone else of that, but I'm nipping it in the bud before anyone can even think of it.

Thanks Macgyver!

Two things are absolutely certain, your email address will be harvested off any site if it is included in a post. These threads/posts are html docs that are accessable to anyone - including bots. That's just life in cyberland.

This also includes your profile page. If you choose to have have your email visible to the public, it will be harvested. This is an option that you choose - no one else.

What is also totally certain. No one has access to your email addresses in this forum except for me and one of the moderators - Spearmaster. Believe me, they are secure.

So anyway - let's go fishing

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**vinylweatherman** · 4th December 2005, 01:22 PM

I was not even considering the possibility that my E-mail had been passed on by the websites. I was a victim of bot harvesting when I first began to use bulletin boards, newsgroups and fora. I created the "vinyl" identity, along with the E-mail and my website to thwart the bots. If I get spam to my vinyl E-mail I know it has not come directly from a casino mailing list, but from some third party compilation.
This is actually a trick I learned in the 1970's before the age of the internet. A friend of mine taught me that when you write off for things you should manipulate subtleties in you name and address, such as middle initial or extra "clarification" lines in the street - such as house name. When "Junk Mail" arrived this then enabled you to determine who had sold your details on to the junk mail company. The same approach can be used to test for the origin of spam. Many ISPs now allow a number of E-mail addresses per account, and there is always Hotmail and Gmail for more. Given time, it would be possible to determine where the addresses are sourced from down to the resolution of individual fora and mailer offers.

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