Gambling Federation Malware

[jmildstone]

You can be sure that as long as I'm around this thread won't stay far from the top.

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[jmildstone]

IGC we are waiting for your resolution.

[Casinomeister]

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No need to bump, since I'll be making periodical postings here; and there are enough happy campers (not) who I'm sure will be contributing to this thread every day or so until the smoke clears

The smoke hasn't cleared yet.

I've been in contact wiht the IGC - they are meeting this week to discus this. I've also been in touch with the iGGBA and they have just been made aware of this (perhaps by my email), and they are delving into this as well.

Like you, I would like some answers too.

[jetset]

Hot off the press....'Meister there's a press release out from eCOGRA this morning taking a position on this - let me know if you haven't seen it and I will forward a copy.

[Casinomeister]

Hot off the press....'Meister there's a press release out from eCOGRA this morning taking a position on this - let me know if you haven't seen it and I will forward a copy.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...7065#post57065

[Petunia]

** Hey everyone. It is good to see that some of the troops don't mind venturing out of the woods. I have asked this before,and would like to ask again:
It would seem very hard to come up with a suitable punishment for the GFED as a whole or even for The MISTER FAV himself. What (if anything) do you think should happen - and to whom? Ultimately, I am battling to come to a conslusion as to who really is responsible - let alone as to what would be a suitable punishment! ANy ideas? **

[jetset]

I believe Petunia asks a relevant question.

In a reputable company with a concerned Board of Directors the guy would probably fall on his sword. It happened on his watch, it is a very serious matter that brings the company into disrepute and probably harms its business and if he did not offer his resignation, it may be demanded.

After that a considerable house-cleaning would be in order, although how you would try and placate your players in this sort of really bad scenario I am not entirely sure.

Looking outside the company to its membership of outfits like iGGBA and IGC (and Fogli is a Board member at IGC) I would imagine there is the obvious choice of booting GFED out of the body, or of demanding some sort of atonement in monetary terms to go to GA or someone like that, accompanied by some serious inspection to satisfy the Board that all evil has been expunged from the GFED systems.

The powers of the body to do these things would be dependent on its Constitution, of course.

Concerning Fogli's involvement with the IGC as a director, I would say that the same options apply as at his company - he should tender his resignation or have his ass fired following an appropriate enquiry that should perhaps involve independents for credibility.

I would not imagine there is a criminal sanction available here, although there could be civil actions from those affected and - here's a thought - players could even mount a class action and go after GFED for damages.

Fogli's reputation in the industry has sustained severe damage, and that will have a personal cost for him, I'm sure. His judgement, and even his business ethics and efficiency have been shown to be flawed i.m.o. and that will not be easily forgotten.

[Petunia]

Jetset, very well said mate! The problem with the Class Action as per your suggestion is that pple do not want to get involved. I do agree with what you are saying - and how can one not when it is put in such a well-written manner! I guess we will not know what is going on behind closed doors (Gfed's) until someone let slip. Having looked at some, information the way I see it is as follows:
Is Mr Flav the only one to blame in this saga?
See, SOMEONE had to come up with the Idea, SOMEONE had to approve the Idea, SOMEONE had to developed this lot, SOMEONE had to be given permission to deploy this, and SOMEONE had to implement it, SOMEONE had to silence the lot, then Flav was 'caught!'

Now, how long ago did the person leave the company? How long have they known that this person had the data? Something like this takes planning - and then some. Considering that it took a good while before they were fingered, and considering that development would take no less than a month.. This was planned to the "T" - Does the time-span check out - from when the person left and this was implemented.

Now was he the SOMEONE in all of this, or was he acting upon instruction by someone else? - This is where I think your suggestion of an external and independent party should investigate on this. Although Flav admitted to GFED doing it, he might only be part to blame. Either way, they should make a public report available on who/what/when things are happening - I hope GFED would drop in a FYI soon!

Thanks again for that well put opinion jetset! **

EDIT: Spelling mistakes! *grin*

[jetset]

Much will now depend on the real integrity of the Boards of Directors involved in this matter, because it must be clear to everyone that this is not going to simply go away - feelings are running too high.

From what I see here, GFED hasn't really produced a solid case for this implication that their customer relations manager defected to Royal Dutch and is suspected of taking player database information. So we have their word, or rather *suspicions* for it, and the fact that it could be seen as a competitively motivated tactic - an unethical, dishonest and unacceptable thing to do notwithstanding that.

The way I see this, the boss (Fogli) knew it was happening and therefore presumably condoned it and he is therefore ultimately responsible. If he didn't know about it (and his statements suggest he DID know what was happening) then the mind boggles at the sort of corporate scenario that such behaviour might suggest, and he should go anyway.

[mary]

If GFed were operating in a regulated jurisdiction, the gaming commission involved would require all executives and employees with knowledge to be fired/let go, fine the company as an entity, and allow the cleaned up company to continue business.

You can see on GFed's web site a lot of statements about "integrity" and "trust" and supporting regulation. All this while knowingly using malware.

Obviously they would have continued to do so until caught. People with this attitude "The rules don't apply to me" can't be in this industry. If the leading organizations don't send a strong message of condemnation, you can expect to see a lot more of it in the future.