Prism Defrauded Me

[chaverel]

I am looking to see if I can get help in resolving an issue with Prism Casino. On 9/8/03 I deposited 500.00 with prism and got a 100% bonus. I played through all requirements and was up 8,013.00. I put in for a withdrawal and was told it was approved. 9 days later I was sent an email stating payment to neteller in 24-48 hrs. Long story short, it never came--- They kept telling me about a problem with neteller. On and on for over 10 days. I'm 68 and not in the greatest health so my husband of 49 yrs called and emailed over and over. Some of his emails were terse and firmly stated he felt Prism was less than honest and and was treated rudely by customer support by a Valerie in perticular. They then said only 5,000.00 would be sent due to limits on bonus winnings. Again no money was sent to Neteller. More emails, phone calls ended with Prism saying they didn,t want (Valerie's quote) some "backwater New Yorker who threatens to sue when someone breaks wind" as a player in their Casino. They returned 500.00(by neteller which now seemed to work?) blocked my access to their casino and again Valeries words "would see that I never could play at an RTG casino again. Is there any way to get these people own up to a player who is good and beats them?

 

[pokermaven]

While I do feel for you, you should have known that rtg casinos are all a scam. Look in the rogue casino list and you will probably find prism there.

I would recommend telling prism that if they do not pay you you will seek legal action to get their license revoked as well as inform their government of the fraud.

You have to understand, it is not that they are not scared, it is that they do not think that players will actually go through with any action.

Prove these con-artists wrong. Do everything you can to get them shut down. Sue if you have to. You do have recourse even though they are international. They are a buisness.

Also contact neteller and tell them that prism casino is a fradulent operation, and steals players money. Also contact prepaid atm, firepay, and all other payment processors that deal with them and tell them the same thing. If you don't get your money, maybe you can protect other players by putting them out of buisness. If you need details send me an email at [email protected]

Good luck! DO NOT GIVE UP!

 

[pokermaven]

Also,

I run a player advocate site as well. It is usually just for poker site related complaints.

If you want I can contact prism and see if I can get this resolved for you. I just need your first name and email address.

Let me know either on here or via email at [email protected]

 

[glodge]

pokermaven,

Your help just as anyone's support, is in my personal opinion very much appreciated.

However I clicked on your nick to see what site your referring to, however it is not listed in your preferences. Are you not proud of your site?

IMHO I think before anyone starts handing out any info to anyone; especially to a yahoo account ( don't you have a domain name? )

One should at least have an idea as to whom they are & what site they operate; a little brazen on your part I think to suggest this, especially in this context and in someone else's forum!

Ps I don't wish to nit pick here but for a person claims to run a site that offer mediation to poker players, why can't you fix your own problems? EG - Endless Problems at Big Dollar Poker !

(Message edited by glodge on October 23, 2003)

 

[cipher]

First off Chaverel let me say that I'm glad you are here and welcome aboard.

While I have no doubt that Pokermaven is genuine and sincere, I think you would be best served by filling out a Pitch-A-Bitch form so that Bryan (the Casinomeister) can have a full set of facts to work with.

Believe me you will need all your "ducks in a row" (or so to speak) to go after these people. You've inadvertently stumbled acrossed the worst of worst with this Prism Casino.

I did have a similar incident out of some of these same people a couple of years back for about $10,000.00 that I was able to collect on.

I will be happy to provide Bryan with any information at my disposal in trying to recover your funds as well.

But do make sure that you fill out the Pitch a Bitch form. You'll find a blue highlighted link for it on the "FORUM" page. Have a good one.

Cipher

(Message edited by cipher on October 23, 2003)

 

[pokermaven]

Glodge,

I did fix my own problem at big dollar. I got my cashout. I just wanted to let people know how they treat their players. If you would like I can giv eyou the url of my site. I did not think it was appropriate to list my site on this forum as it may be constituted as spam.

So you see, it is better not to spam my site on another persons forum as your put it. My site url can be gotten if you email me or message me in private.

Thanks for your question. I just wanted to help.

 

[pokermaven]

Cipher said : "While I have no doubt that Pokermaven is genuine and sincere, I think you would be best served by filling out a Pitch-A-Bitch form so that Bryan (the Casinomeister) can have a full set of facts to work with"

Bryan has already stated that rtg casinos are listed in his rogue section. and that he will not help people with problems with those casinos. I was just offering to help if Bryan did not.

Cheers!

 

[glodge]

" I did not think it was appropriate to list my site on this forum as it may be constituted as spam. "

But I have no problem spamming my e-mail here in another persons site...Is that what your saying?

Personally I don't think what you did was kosha, but that's just me...

No offense intended.

 

[glodge]

And just for the record yes some other members have done this in the past too. However we all know who they are and the sites they own are known and have cred.

Sorry no offense intended, but in your case we know zip.

 

[chaverel]

To all who have replied,
Thank you for your concern, I have "pitched a bitch" and Bryan has responded to me that his contact at Prism has suddenly quit. The Meister is going to contact RTG direrctly.

To Pokermaven: Thanks and I'll give you a letter later today when my morning shapes up bit.

Again to all:: Thanks and double down always!!!!

 

[The Dude]

Hi Pokermaven and everyone else,

I made a statment months ago that I was not going to "entertain" any more complaints dealing with RTG casinos. But since then, I've changed my stance since a number of these casinos have contacted me and wish to maintian agood business relationship. No problem.

This problem that Chaverel has posted has already gone through the "Pitch a bitch" process though. It has made the rounds, and unfortunately I found out about two days ago that my main contact at Prism casino quit. Bummer.

The manager of Prism monitors this forum, so I made the suggestion that this player ought to post here and have this hashed out in public.

This is one of two Prism complaints that I received recently which concerns extremely rude behaviour on the manager/customer service reps. part.

Last week I had a incident where a CR from Virtual Bingo verbally threatened an old lady on social security. He was fired as a result of his actions.

 

[pokermaven]

Glodge,

First of all, you say no offense, but you put me down. You cannot spam an email in a forum, thats for starters. Furthermore, I resent you putting a person down, whose intentions were only selfless, and good intended. Perhaps you would like, everyone to remain silent, and for this person not to get helped.

Cheers!

(Message edited by pokermaven on October 23, 2003)

 

[glodge]

pokermaven,

If you intend to interpret me, please do so correctly. My no offence statement, was exactly how it was said, no offence.

I think I spelt it out very clearly, that I viewed your support as appreciated.

However as I could not find your site in your profile; yes it's ok to post it there that's what the link is for...

As far as your reference to your e-mail addy not being spam, in the context it was used, ( I run a player advocate site as well. It is usually just for poker site related complaints. ) in my book it is; such a contradiction, my second retort followed.

At the end of the day pokermaven, I'm not here to start any fights or a war with anyone...However I see you still didn't answer my question to what poker mediation site you run, and what your domain is!

Maybe your a newbie, ( we all start somewhere ) so I'll throw you a life line & bring you up to speed.

Posting a yahoo account as a contact, after stating you have a poker mediation site, really doesn't give rise to your credentials, do you see where I'm coming from now!

 

[pokermaven]

Glodge,

If you re-read one of my prior posts you will see, I will only disclose the url of my site via email. So far you have not emailed me.

Very simple. Email me and I will give you the link. I cannot understand your hostility, I make nothing from helping others. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Have a good one.

 

[jpm]

Chaverel wrote and again Valeries words "would see that I never could play at an RTG casino again.

This could be the biggest favor that they could do for your Chaverel! There are more rogues in the RTG group of casinos than any other of the 'big 5'. You'd be better off staying clear of this platform all together and play at Microgaming, Playtech, or Cryptologic casinos, or maybe Boss Media if you like that suite (I personally do not, too boring and no vareity).

 

[linda7]

I received the following email from Prism:
25 - 2500 F r e e b i e s at our new rewards program
Date: 10/23/03 7:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)

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Here is my response:
Dear Valerie,

Are you aware of the horrible reputation your casino has? If not, allow me to be the first to enlighten you of this fact. Want me to come and play at prism? Clean up your act, pay player Chaverel, and then drop me a line. Until then, shove your Bonuses where the Pope dont go roller skating!!!!

Linda Anders-Lieber

(Message edited by casinomeister on October 24, 2003)

 

[jinnia]

Linda7 <, shove your Bonuses where the Pope dont go roller skating!!!!
--------------------------

bwahahahahaa!! You go girl!!!

 

[linda7]

you are funny jinnia....glad you liked my ending.

(((hugs)))) Linda

 

[linda7]

}This is the response I got from Prism. It makes no sense that they accuse Chaverel of threatening to do a chargeback of $500 when she won over 8K.

{Subj: Re: Get $25 - 2500 F r e e b i e s at our new rewards program
Date: 10/23/03 9:04:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Dear Linda,

Our casino has a no tolerance policy regarding individuals attempting to defraud our casino.

This player blah blah blah --- shocking display of a serious breach of player confidentiality ---

edited out to nulify any embarrassing details...

...blah blah blah

Please feel free to contact me for further assistance.

At your service,

Valerie Hart


----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Get $25 - 2500 F r e e b i e s at our new rewards program


Dear Valerie,

Are you aware of the horrible reputation your casino has? If not, allow me to be the first to enlighten you of this fact. Want me to come and play at prism? Clean up your act, pay player Chaverel, and then drop me a line. Until then, shove your Bonuses where the Pope dont go roller skating!!!!

Linda Anders-Lieber




(Message edited by casinomeister on October 24, 2003)

 

[chaverel]

To All who are following this: Valerie Hart how many days was involved in the cash out that never happened????? you say 5 well I didn't get in touch with you untill 10 days after my $8,013.00 winnings as per your email. After another 13 days of emails and lame excuses about Neteller. We did contact neteller and emailed that correspondece to you. As to your fraud use charge----- Since when is a husband and wife of 49 yrs with joint accounts, residing in same home for 33 yrs, which sent you copies of NY Drivers license, Joint Bank Statement and utility bills fraudulent use of someones name. Did we not use MY NAME and DID WE NOT HAVE YOU CALL OUR HOUSE AND SPEAK RUDELY TO OUR DAUGHTER AS WELL AS MYSELF WHICH IS THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND MY HUSBAND DEALING WITH YOU IN THE FIRSTPLACE. Is The neteller account in a different name than the Casino account ------NO!!!! Is there a different name on my drivers license.....No!!!!! Is the phone number listed in a different name......NO!!!!!! was there a different name on the bank statement or utility bill or was the address different.....Well Valerie the only fraud I see is your GODDAMN CASINO. Can someone in this Forum recommend a good Lawyer .....At this point I'll mortage the house to beat these people......

 

[chaverel]

PS to Linda 7 ..... Beleive it or not I got the same promo from Prism in my mail this evening. Can you believe the GALL of these people? I can't.

chaverel

 

[linda7]

Dear Chaverel:
Trust me, I know what scam artists Prism casino is. I also am a New Yorker, and I responded to Valerie about that remark she made about New Yorkers. I basically called her an asshole, and a liar. I also said that we are not the ones selling our soul, or anyother body parts (lol) to steal from decent people. I know she is a liar. Chaverel, I was very hesitant about posting Valerie's response, as I knew you would be upset. However, I thought you might want to know how she is choosing to defend her thieving casino by calling you a fraudulent player. Please try to stay calm and let Bryan handle this.
Bryan Bailey is an amazing person who does all he can for players. Additionally, Cipher also can assist Bryan since he had similar problems with this group of casinos. Cipher, is also a great person and very caring. So, between Bryan and Cipher you have the best of the best.

***hugs**** Linda

 

[chaverel]

Linda 7, Thanks for the encouraging words. At 68 yrs young I still am amazed by brazen out and out liars. This whole thing started because my husband wouldn't stand for the run around they gave me. And now I'm a fraudulent player????? When I stared this the weather was sweltering, now the morning dew is frost.These people are consuming a lot of time.(LOL) again Thanks for caring ( about me and New York) Go Yankees!!!!

 

[glodge]

pokermaven,

I'm not hostile...sorry if I gave that impression...

Please tell me you don't run an ezboard...

?

 

[The Dude]

One thing that is a bit alarming, and this speaks for the professionalism of this group, is that they divulged personal customer information to another customer to justify themselves. Most casinos would just reply that this customer was being cared for or whatever. And most casinos would fire an employee for breaching this in a heartbeat

The support people are also members of this forum, and have chosen not to respond to this here. They have also chosen NOT to respond to my emails as well. (gasp)

Real Time Gaming is aware of what has happened, and I'll be getting back to them to see what recourses they can take. But it would be nice to see someone from the casino pop their head in and say "howdy!"

 

[glodge]

I second that one :yes: on ya CM!

 

[linda7]

Bryan I was shocked myself when I received that email. At first, I was just going to forward it to you. If I made an error by posting it here on the forum, please accept my apology.

***hugs*** Linda

 

[The Dude]

Hi Linda,

Don't worry. I edited out the details that should not have been shared with you to begin with.

This sort of behaviour is typical with Prism Casino.

 

[jinnia]

Just find one of Prisms other remarks they've made here at meisters, then copy/paste it here in this thread, for they all read the same old bull shit.

 

[pokermaven]

Most likely Bryan, they will never respond to this matter on here. They know they just defrauded a a player. What could they posibly say? In other words it has gone too far already. They could not exactly come on here claiming some rediculous financial processor delay, mainly because we would know that they are lying.

Unforunately, casinos such as Prism, are contributing factors to the new legislation in the U.S prohibiting internet gambling. While I do not support this legislation, I must say that if I was defrauded, I would want my country to step in. I would personally rather not play then get ripped off!

Prism Casino, you are a disgrace to the gaming industry and you should be ashamed of yourselves and your recent actions. It is in your best interest, to pay this person and make good on all of your cashouts. You accept money freely, and that's a fact. When you refuse to honor honest players' cashouts you are acting in a fraudulent matter. Do what is right, and just. Pay this player, and possibly your reputation can be redeemed. Otherwise, without customers visiting your site, you are sure to go under. I am sure many have read about this fiasco

The ball is in your court now!

 

[jinnia]

Sorry people, I'm gonna butt in here once again.

About having an ez board .. there's several on here that does.

Ok, reason why I'm butting in is, I am SICK of hearing about all the shit Prism/Virtual Casino does to their players and get by with it.

SO, I just spit out a letter to the White House ([email protected]) in regards to all that has happened, and continuing to happen.

Explaining about players being defrauded, asking for information to the governmental body in Costa Rica where to file complaints as ones here, The National Gaming Commission.. etc...etc.

Once I get a reply back, if any of you are at all interested, I'll post it.

I was going to just call the White House, but I done that back in 1990 and my doctor looked at me as being totally nuts, I thought he was going to have me locked up for doing so .. hahaha, but, I got great help from them, and the situation at hand got taken care of.

 

[pokermaven]

The only thing that will happen by contacting the white house, will be more heat on the online gambling industry. Doubtful anything will get resolved about it. It's like what are you gonna tell them? Yes I play online gambling which may be illegal but I want the governments assistance. It is like a crack junkie who gets sold fake dope going to the police to complain about it.

 

[jinnia]

Personally, I've had enough of it, searching, sending emails here and there asking for information with no response. So, this way I just might get the information I'm seeking to file a complaint at the appropriate place.

And it is illegal on the federal level to place BETS online in the US, and it is by State law only if it is illegal to do any type of gaming online.

And yes, I have found out it is illegal in the State where I live, but if I take any type of fall for having done it, that's my situation to handle at time.

It's time people stop worrying about not being able to gamble online and make a stand against the crooks that operates an online casino/gaming business.

 

[glodge]

pokermaven,

I've got to agree with you on this one :yes:

The problem is there are crooks in this industry, we know there are...However complaining about them to Governments & so forth, IMHO is only going to screw it, and stop people being able to play at honest casino's too.

It has always been my view, that to stamp out these crooks that choose to operate in an unethical manner, we as a gambling community need to take a stand...

For instance if you see a casino that has a history or is associated to a dodgy casino operation, say something...Stand up from the crowd and YELL if you have to, but to say nothing is just compounding the problem.

Casinomeister, Spearmaster, Mary, Jetset all of those and more who have tried to stand up for the honest casino's and educate the online gambling community to the not so honest casino operations, simply can't get the message across to everyone...We, us, everyone needs to chip in and give a hand!!!

I also add that my stand on some ez boards is because of this exact problem...

I bet I could go right now, and find free coupons for Prism Casino & Virtual Casino posted on a number of ez board forums...So big deal they have a thing saying your wont be paid...

These places who allow this crap to be posted, are supporting these un-ethical operations...Just because it's a free coupon the casino still gains cash flow through the books from use of these...which gives the casino the ability to present figures to investors who they could probably screw over as well!!!

IMHO it's time to take a stand people...

 

[jinnia]

EXACTLY glodge!! Take a stand!!

And that is what I am doing by asking for information from who ever and what ever resource I can find and/or think of.

And about ezboards, you are correct on that.

As for the US government stopping online gaming, it won't/can't be done, possibly BETS on sports, but not the normal bj, slots..etc.
State by State it might be accomplished, by some, but not on the federal level.

Our Treasury Department is even helping....... before I say more and get it wrong.. I'll go get the link.. read for your self.

 

[jinnia]

here it is.. US helping Panama with online gaming.. don't want to read entire article, scroll about 2/3 way down ... this is about a 3 month old article::

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

 

[babysister]

Jinnia,
I can understand your point about contacting Washington. I have seen and heard about too many incidents of casino employees threathing players on message boards when they complain, directly calling them at home harassing them, giving out personal information and spamming them with porno emails.(this happened to me) and finally defrauding players out of money that they rightfully deserve thru winning. Some of these people think that they are just untouchable and can do whatever they please. They know they could not get away with this crap if they operated in the US. At some point in time, you just have to take a stand and say "Enough Is Enough" and do whatever it takes to put a stop to this negative and CRIMINAL behavior by the offending parties. It needs to be proven that players are not going to tolerate this type of behavior and it is totally unacceptable. I know if you boycott certain casinos, there will always be a few that would still patronage these known rogue operations and portals advertising them. Its all about greed and the all mighty dollar. Like Jinnia, I am so sick and tired of reading all of the complaints and frustration that players tell of. This has cause me to play less and less on line in the past year. I do not want to see online gambling banned, but there has got to be a way to weed out criminals that are operating these establishments if the US gov can't, then US players must intercede, take action and run these rogue operations out of business.

IMHO***I have been holding this in for a long time and this is the short version imo . :axeman2: prism, virtual, etc.etc.etc.

 

[babysister]

edited by me. sorry, double post.

(Message edited by babysister on October 25, 2003)

 

[jinnia]

Thank you babysitter. And I don't want to see online gambling stopped in the US, but why let these crooks continue their fraudulant behaviour just so one can gamble online?

As you said, Enough IS Enough, and I personally have had enough!!

I became so frustrated over not finding certain files that I even told everyone I had lied and apologized, just to back off and get a break. But files since found and I've rested from it all, and reading where these people 'CONTINUE' lying, defrauding, ignoring the players, I'm taking it as far as possible, even if it comes down to myself being questioned/charged/fined for playing online.

I'll answer to what may come around, and possibly, who!

 

[rowmare]

Just let me say that, as a Canadian, the thought of the U.S. government getting involved in another international issue is frightening! (no offense indended. Please don't hurt me!)


There will always be crooks in just about everything. Nothing is black and white. The grey area will be present among us! The best we can do is try to educate people, as some reponsible portal owners are doing.

As it is, anyone who gets scammed at a casino has themselves to blame, since the information is available, one only has to take the time to read it all and discern who is telling the truth (like casinomeister, here), and who is a banner-farm-lying-money-loving-crook.


If one isn't intelligent to tell them apart, then they should "PUT DOWN THE MOUSE AND STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!....before anyone gets hurt!".

Seriously, though, do we really want government involvement in everything? American 'rights' seem to be eroding away at an exponential rate lately, I don't think you need to ask for more to be taken.

 

[jinnia]

[color=0000ff]There will always be crooks in just about everything. Nothing is black and white. The grey area will be present among us! The best we can do is try to educate people, as some reponsible portal owners are doing.[/color]

That is correct, will always be crooks around. And you take one out, another is there. But I'm going to do what I can to try and take one out.

[color=0000ff]As it is, anyone who gets scammed at a casino has themselves to blame[/color]

Only in the sense of trusting a damn business in the first place. That remark pisses me highly. It's not like these forums has damn pop ups all over the place like online casino's do. You click on a web site, casino ads pops up everywhere, not gambling forums.. So NO, it is not the/a players fault for playing at a crooked casino due to not knowing of these gambling forums as a guide before hand. And where some gets burned, others don't.

[color=0000ff]If one isn't intelligent to tell them apart, then they should "PUT DOWN THE MOUSE AND STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!....before anyone gets hurt!".[/color]

Hey, life isn't all black and white, there are those grey areas among us and that area includes hurt also. So be it!!

I have not put down my mouse and walked away from the computer, and I have no intentions of doing so, and it seems as if you haven't either!

 

[glodge]

The reason I have a problem with ez boards is the following:

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- Virtual Casino ---|

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- cirrus casino ---|

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- an affiliate for Largo ---|

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- affiliate for Lazy Joker ---|

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- affliate for Largo ---|

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- cirrus casino ---|

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) >,--- cirrus casino ---|

These are just a small sample of the forums I visted most are the big ez board gambling forums...

They all have enough Mods to make sure none of this crap is posted; Cirrus is owned by Virtual Casino Group.

But they choose not to. Some are promoting Largo Casino as well as Lazy Joker...

Both of these casino's are scum as well.

Obviously the owners of these forums don't give a toss about their members & guests, and are only driven by the mighty $

 

[rowmare]

Geez
I am getting the impression that, if one has the nerve to voice an opinion on this forum, the 'regulars' will attack full throttle.
I won't bother defending.
I guess we don't agree that people are responsible for themselves - let the buyer beware, and we don't need the government to interfere with every aspect of our lives.

Have a good one!

By the way, I wasn't refering to you, jinnia, I wasn't being personal at all. They were all general statements.
Can't say the same for your comments.
Not nice!
*sniffle*

 

[glodge]

jinnia,

Don't know if you realize but I've been at this exact thing for probably a good 2 years now ( gamblerslodge.com - no longer my site )...But people don't listen...Look at the Largo fiasco, the Cirrus Casino BS...and it simply keeps going...

People don't want to listen, of course until they get SHAFTED...Then they come crying to places like this hoping that someone can help them...

My personal view is, if people haven't got the brains to investigate who they are dealing with; not that hard to through a few keywords into a search engine; or the brains to accept what people are telling them, then maybe they shouldn't be gambling online.

As far as it being the anyone's fault other than the gambler, I find your reasoning sometimes very one eyed to say the least, no offense personally.

 

[rowmare]

Anyway, I was agreeing with glodge.
We need to stand up for ourselves.
What can the government do in one country, when the online casino business is global?

 

[rowmare]

*sigh*
glodge, you just repeated what i said, only in different words, then attacked me for saying it (or for not going on to blame dishonest casino operators in the same sentence):

You said: "My personal view is, if people haven't got the brains to investigate who they are dealing with; not that hard to through a few keywords into a search engine; or the brains to accept what people are telling them, then maybe they shouldn't be gambling online."

YES! exactly!!

"As far as it being the anyone's fault other than the gambler, I find your reasoning sometimes very one eyed to say the least, no offense personally."

I was not taking the blame away from dishonest casino operators, I just didn't mention them - and neither did you in your statement.

This forum has been hijacked by some regulars who tend to disagree - and even attack (I've seen it happen many times) anyone who posts a differing opinion, real OR imagined.

 

[glodge]

What can the government do in one country, when the online casino business is global?

Don't wish to thinking about that one...

 

[glodge]

rowmare,

Why do I get the feeling I just stepped into the twilight zone

I was agreeing with you; reiteration
does not carry a trademark; least not that I'm aware of.

As far as the the other tangent regarding your conspiracy theory...Your entitled to your opinion.

 

[glodge]

As far as it being the anyone's fault other than the gambler, I find your reasoning sometimes very one eyed to say the least, no offense personally

Just to clarify things, that opinion was not directed at you rowmare haser:

 

[rowmare]

My bad. It's almost 3:00 in the morning here - that's part of my problem.
Also, I've been screwing with html and all that b.s. for weeks, and my eyes are square.
I was a little upset earlier this week when a portal owner got dragged through the coals for using a free email account on this forum, among other things. I fully related to his explanation that he thought it would be bad etiquette to "spam" in another's forum.
I went and changed my e-mail on the forum just because of that mess! But I like having the forum come into my hotmail account! My server's e-mail box is sh**y, and I hate pop3. I think I'll stick my neck out and change it back.
By the way, in case you peek, my site isn't completed or even registered on search engines yet. That's my excuse, and i'm stickin' to it.