kaave.com has plainly threatened a member .here is the mail

[dreamtheatre]

The mail below was sent by kaave.com to Nursen Bulut.Nursen was an ex member of kaave.com.her member name was herpess. we met today.

Her membership had been terminated because kaave claims she had cheated at a BACKGAMMON game.For anyone familiar with the game, it is impossible to cheat at an online backgammon game. You do not throw the dice do you?She had about 600 in her account when her membership was terminated.

she found a way to take her money back. and then she recieved the following message from kaave.com it says:

YOU HAVE TWO HOURS TO STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING

THIS IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST MAIL THAT WILL EVER BE SENT TO YOU

GOOD LUCK

This site displays a Kahnawake logo and claims a kahnawake license.

Thanks!!!!

From: "Destek" <destek@kaave.com>
To: "nursen bulut" <bulut1972@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kimlik Bilgileriniz
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:02:59 -0000


Yaptiginizi durdurmaniz icin 2 saatiniz var.
Bu size atilan ilk ve son maildir.
Bol Sanslar
----- Original Message -----
From: nursen bulut
To: destek@kaave.com
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: Kimlik Bilgileriniz


kımlık bılgılerımı bana neden gonderıyorsunuz. bende zaten var o bılgıler???

[TheBloke]

You should translate her email at the bottom, too.

Now I may be way off here - but:
You said she had found a way to remove her money
He said "You have 2 hours to stop what you are doing", Good luck"

To me that doesn't sound like a threat. To me that sounds like one employee saying "get it finished within 2 hours!". If it was a threat, why would he say 2 hours? Why wouldn't he say "stop immediately!!" Also, why would he sign off with Good Luck if it was a threat?

So it sounds like, whatever she was doing, if she could finish it in less than 2 hours, she was ok. So this email may have actually been a helpful email, perhaps from an employee who didn't agree with the way the casino had screwed her.

Just a thought.

Did she get her money out in the end?

[dreamtheatre]

the lines below belong to Nursen she says:

why are you sending me my identity information. i already have it.

if you have not interpreted kaave's message as a threat i think you have recieved no threats in your life.

[soflat]

...
So it sounds like, whatever she was doing, if she could finish it in less than 2 hours, she was ok. So this email may have actually been a helpful email, perhaps from an employee who didn't agree with the way the casino had screwed her.

Just a thought.

Yup, it looks like she had someone on the inside helping her, and that email was warning that she only had two more hours before the opportunity would end. Was it more like a guardian angel rather than a threat?

[dreamtheatre]

now i am sure my English sucks.

when i read it in Turkish ,it is a plain threat and she has no guardian angel inside and people are STILL taking their money back using the same method.

another attempt to translate.

you have two hours to quit what you are doing. this is the first and the last mail we shall send .good luck.

the good luck part may seem strange. but i think that is the way they are trying to conceal the threat or soften it.

[winbig]

now i am sure my English sucks.

when i read it in Turkish ,it is a plain threat and she has no guardian angel inside and people are STILL taking their money back using the same method.

another attempt to translate.

you have two hours to quit what you are doing. this is the first and the last mail we shall send .good luck.

the good luck part may seem strange. but i think that is the way they are trying to conceal the threat or soften it.

How about translating the question she posed to them?

Personally I have to agree that there's someone on the inside working *with* her. If there wasn't, her account, along with her money she was trying to get out, would have been locked immediately. Not 2 hours from then.


Also, was your original problem with them ever resolved? Bryan asked you not to keep creating many many many many threads (which you are doing) until it was...but yet you keep bringing up dirt on them? Why? Fighting fire with fire doesn't really work...usually works against you in the end..

[dreamtheatre]

i think i am very bad at expressing myself in English

everybody here agreed that the mail recieved by Nursen was a threat.

everybody there agreed that someone inside was trying to help.

i am at the moment talking with Nursen.and she absolutely has no friends inside. and yes she took her money back 45 days after her membership was cancelled. one person i referred to in my previous treads who claimed that 4000 dollars was withdrawn from his credit card without his permission also took his money back. and kaave.com did not pay these willingly . i have followed these members methods and made my application. i am sure i WILL get my money back too.

and these are ABSOLUTELY the last words i am writing.

i found much more understanding in my fellow ex-members than i found here.

thanks everybody and sorry if i have offended anyone unwillingly.

[chuchu59]

The beauty of this forum is that there are many,many members who try to take a balanced view in order to be as objective as possible. Slamming casinos/organisations without realising the whole picture is easy but will not result in issues being resolved. If enough information is provided then the members here can arrive at a conclusion and I am sure that you and the player in question will generate much sympathy.

As for the e-mail, well it's difficult to say it's a threat but to say it's a warning would be more appropriate. If, in kaave.com's view, the player is cheating or something like that, they are fully justified to warn you to STOP.
What else could they possibly say?

Dreamtheatre, please continue to post. Remember, the guys here are not fine-weather friends. Rather, they tend to look at the full picture before deciding simply because they are veterans who have heard many weepies before only to find out later that they have been conned into believing tall stories from roguish players. Dont worry about your English. It is perfectly understandable.

[dreamtheatre]

one last post due to chuchu59's very nice words.

i think i failed to give the whole picture and now that i have read my posts once again i think i am responsible for the misunderstandings. here is what happened with Nursen. We have met just yesterday so i will write only what she has said without any comments of my own. If she is lying then both of us must endure the consenquences since i have brought this subject here.

1) nursen's membership was cancelled. she had 600 dollars in her account then. and she had lost at least 10.000 during the one year period while she was a member.

2) the reason was stated as alleged cheating in a backgammon game

3)Nursen sent lots of mails to destek@kaave.com and recieved no reply

4)she applied her bank and asked all the withdrawals made by kaave.com to be returned back to her.

5) the bank cancelled all the withdrawals by kaave.com in the last three months.!!!!!!!!

6) Nursen began telling everyone she knew to be an ex member how she took her money back.

7) Many people took back their money the same way.

8) Nursen recieved the notorious mail i have TRIED to translate

9) i saw a post by nursen at the address http://www.canlisonuc.net/haber/Foru...n=Topic&id=291

10) i found her msn and got in touch with her. we become friends quickly.

11) she told how to apply my bank

12) i did my application

13) now i am waiting.

Thanks

[caruso]

I entirely agree with you - I would interpret this as a threat also, although a weak one with no consequences I can see. The "two hours to stop" refers to the word-spreading to other players who instigated the same deposit-cancelling process - it plainly does NOT refer to stopping game play. This tallies exactly with the line of events described in the above post.

Three months to cancel deposits from your bank account? I didn't know they had such long clearing periods, and it certainly adds quite a layer of protection. Of course, this is the bank account equivalent of credit card charging back, and is only a last resort as you'll quickly get blacklisted.

Although you didn't get your winnings, I'm delighted you managed to exact such punishment on them, albeit one which won't have done you any favours in your future online play.

Did they actually give any details of this claim of backgammon "cheating"?