Doleplex specializes in Double Jeopardy

[wheresmymoney]

Here’s how it works. Go to any Doleplex casino, let’s say “Lucky Coin”, deposit your money and gamble. Shortly after you’ll start receiving emails from other Doleplex casinos, which unless you’re “in the know” you won’t know that they’re affiliated with Doleplex. These unsolicited emails will have terrific offers. Deposit and lose all you want at the new casino, let’s say “Vegas Frontier”. One hundred, two hundred, two thousand etc.. As long as you are losing you’re fine. No problems depositing, no problems logging in to your account. If you should by chance get a small win that’s fine also. AS LONG AS YOU DON’T WIN MORE THAN YOU’VE DEPOSITED.
(Here’s where the Double Jeopardy Kicks in) Now let’s say you get a decent size win. You get verbal and email confirmation stating you’ve met the wagering requirement for withdrawal. When you call back in 3 weeks to inquire about your withdrawal you find out that you’re account is locked. When you email Oliver Curran he doesn’t respond. Although you’re apprehensions at this point you’re not too worried because you know you can always go to MontanaOversees. 1 month later you get a response from Montana stating that the “ruling is in favor of the operator” because (unbeknownst to you) you “we’re banned” from the first Doleplex casino “lucky Coin”, 3 months prior to you’re win at “Vegas Frontier”.

This is my story.

After making a total of 15 deposits between 6/26/05 & 9/11/05 @ $200 a shot, I secured a $5000 win @ Vegas Frontier on 9/11/05 only to be shafted and robbed. I was notified by Montana later on that “my account was locked” at Lucky Coin on 6/26/05. Mind you I’d been receiving and utilizing offers from Royal Circus, Vegas Frontier and Golden Nile. (And these offers/emails weren’t coming from 3rd parties. They were coming directly from the casinos with Oliver Currans’ name, title and phone number at the bottom). They had no problem taking my money as long as I lost. For 3 months they bombarded me with these offers, entertained me on the phone on numerous calls and allowed me to deposit my hard earned money. But as soon as I got a decent size win they backdoor me.

In retrospect it wasn’t “Double Jeopardy” it was “Certain Death”. The word Jeopardy implies risk, and there was no risk involved. They certainly weren’t risking anything because if I lost, then hey no problem. If I won they had no intention of paying me, so hey no problem. No risk. And on my end I had no way of actually receiving any winnings so I wasn’t actually gambling; I was enjoying the “nice software” @ $200 a session.

And here it is I gripe about $50 for my sons' video games.

[GemG7]

Oliver Curran is a effin scumbag. Sorry this happened to you.

[Casinomeister]

Oliver Curran is a effin scumbag. Sorry this happened to you.

Please mind the forum rules:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/forum_rules.php

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language.

In the meantime, I'll contact the operators to see what's up.

[caruso]

"What's up"? Bryan, you know well what's up. I wrote about it in the "deposit trick" thread, the one that got deleted over a year ago. This is identical, and proof positive that this is still going on and that I called it with absolute nuclear precision back then.

Hell, if that thread had stood, maybe this player wouldn't have got snagged. What a damn shame.

BTW, his name isn't "Oliver Curran", it's "Warren Cloud".

Wheresmymoney, very sorry to hear about this. However, you should know that this character has his eye on the UK stock market, and it's cases like yours that may just keep him off it. Take some small consolation from that.

[vinylweatherman]

Wheresmymoney. You should retain ALL correspondence you have on this matter to show that these offers came directly from the casinos and not a third party spammer. This could not only show you are right, but show that Montanna disputes are not unbiased when they seem to keep on agreeing with the casino. Allegations are one thing, and it is the player's word against the industry; Proof of misleading the player is another. This would actually come under UK CRIMINAL law (if they do list here) if the evidence were to show a deliberate intent to entice the player to deposit at another casino through deliberately deceptive marketing (it's known as fraud).
Presenting your evidence to the UK gambling commission may help, although will probably not result in your money back as they did not list as planned.

[Casinomeister]

"What's up"? Bryan, you know well what's up. I wrote about it in the "deposit trick" thread, the one that got deleted over a year ago...

This was only a few months ago, and you failed to mention that the thread was removed from public view because you could not control your rants and it caused you to have your account suspended from this site. If you are in the mood to begin another careless rampage - I suggest you take it to your own website. Another incident like before will not be tolerated. That is the final word on that.

wheresmymoney - I dug up your PAB and am forwarding it to the operator. I'll let you know of the outcome.

[Casinomeister]

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wheresmymoney - I dug up your PAB and am forwarding it to the operator. I'll let you know of the outcome.

I don't have a PAB for Lucky Coin from you. Please fill this out, so I can have someone look into this. Thank you.

[caruso]

Bryan, fair comment that that thread contained comments - not just MINE but from many, many people - that would probably have been meat & drink for anyone looking to cause Casinomeister grief. That much I concede.

I would, however, make several followup comments:

If I commit an "unjust act" against you and you report the fact, it will generate bad feeling; if I commit several "unjust acts" against several people, this will go far beyond bad feeling and people's tempers will fray. This cannot be avoided. It follows then that the best way to successfully engeneer an untouchable, unprosecutable, un-illegal "unjust act" is to perpetrate it on multiple people over a long period. Then, when the facts get reported, people express themselves forcefully and the facts end up having to be removed!

HOW do you get around this?? How?

It is a FACT that this "unjust act" is ongoing, and has been for a long, long time.

How do we warn people? How do we spell out to them that the Cloud / Curran casino group have engineered this "unjust act" to elicit deposits that cannot generate winnings, the architypal online casino "lose / lose" situation, and for many years now?

Explain to me HOW to do this, on Casinomeister, and I absolutely PROMISE you I will adhere to it to the letter and beyond, and then some more. A simple, factual account of what can happen if you accept promos from the Crystal Palace group. No heat, no libelous language, just the simple facts, as proved by many players.

A "casino caution", locked so noone can comment?

There HAS to be something, some way to get this message out.

Bryan, you cannot be libelled for speaking the truth, backed up by clear evidence. You want evidence, beyond the endless line of posts confirming what is going on? I have two screenshots which prove:

1) My account at Crystal Palace is locked

2) I received (and still receive weekly) promo enticements to make non-winnable deposits into American Grand / Vegas frontier.

THIS IS PROOF. You cannot libel the truth.

Bryan, if you find this post unacceptable for whatever reason, sorry, I can't do anything about that. This behaviour needs exposing, and the facts of the deposit trick are undisputable. I have my own screenshot evidence to back it up, as I stated above.

I say again though that there were indeed comments made in my "Warren Cloud deposit trick" thread, beyond the pure facts of the trick that were absoluely factual in themselves, that could have caused you problems and might have been best unsaid, causing you to delete that thread.

It should be understood that this was done not for the purposes of covering up the facts, but for the dangers presented by unchecked language directed at a litigious casino operator.

[caruso]

Wheresmymoney. You should retain ALL correspondence you have on this matter to show that these offers came directly from the casinos and not a third party spammer. This could not only show you are right, but show that Montanna disputes are not unbiased when they seem to keep on agreeing with the casino. Allegations are one thing, and it is the player's word against the industry; Proof of misleading the player is another. This would actually come under UK CRIMINAL law (if they do list here) if the evidence were to show a deliberate intent to entice the player to deposit at another casino through deliberately deceptive marketing (it's known as fraud).
Presenting your evidence to the UK gambling commission may help, although will probably not result in your money back as they did not list as planned.

But how? He is COVERED BY THE TERMS - THIS is the point!

The terms state that you cannot play the offers if you're barred at a sister casino. The player BREAKS the terms - obviously he is encouraged to break them, quite deliberately so by the casino - so how can the casino be charged in a court of law? You can be absolutely sure that Cloud / Curran has consulted hard with his lawyers on this.

THIS is the problem. I don't think you're up to speed with the mechanics of this, Vinyl. How can he be charged in a court of law? Spell it out please, if you can.

Maybe you know something I don't, but this in an issue I've thought about long and hard.

[jetset]

You've answered your own question in the body of your post, Caruso.

Rather than ranting, antagonising and generally rampaging about (cool choice of word Bryan!), and trying to inflict damage rather than warn players and help sort out their individual problems perhaps you should occasionally try the following:

QUOTE: A simple, factual account.....No heat, no libelous language, just the simple facts, as proved by many players. UNQUOTE

You may one day be faced with this sort of need for discipline when you have your own website and attract a member/s who put you at risk through acts for which you, rather than they are in the first instance accountable.