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Hi to all from Johnny's Amusements

Hi Johnny. I don't mean this to be rude but posting the address to your place in your location header and profile is likely to be frowned upon. Reason being: It is free advertisement for you. Which I'm assuming is probably your intent but I could be wrong.

Either way enjoy your stay here and welcome to the forums.
 
Any friend of KK's is good enough for me.

May I assume your arcade license includes fruities? I don't expect you to spill your secrets, but I'm curious if you play them online?

Please post pictures of any retro pinballs. I love walking down nostalgia lane.

Yes, It is all 100% fruit machines. I do not play online fruits (well hardly ever) but what I do have is a unique retro section with really old fruits fromthe 1970s & 1980s. It makes very little cash, but I keep it on the go for the love of the older machines. If I am allowed to I will post a link below to a full video of the retro section.

 
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Incoming stupid question: Do they call it that because all the symbols are fruits? :o
 
Yes, It is all 100% fruit machines. I do not play online fruits (well hardly ever) but what I do have is a unique retro section with really old fruits fromthe 1970s & 1980s. It makes very little cash, but I keep it on the go for the love of the older machines. If I am allowed to I will post a link below to a full video of the retro section.



I've got a working JPM Lootshoot, and a non working "Dual Melon Meter" JPM machine in the garage + an original Nudge Double Up. You'll need a van and a fat wallet.

Oh, and a passport, they're in England:D

If I come up there, that retro section will make NO cash, and you may have to keep filling them up.
 
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He is still in business, so obviously not:p

I'm assuming this is the UK or somewhere, not sure. We've had fruit machines, video poker etc. in c-stores all across the US for many years until most of them were shut down.

Actually from firsthand experience I had some machines, 10 or so in a c-store I owned years back. This was back in the 80's, vice came in one day and took them all and all the money. I went for a ride too!

I will say this and I know for a fact, there's a setting to adjust the payouts in these type machines and I know it firsthand from back in the day.
 
Yes, It is all 100% fruit machines. I do not play online fruits (well hardly ever) but what I do have is a unique retro section with really old fruits fromthe 1970s & 1980s. It makes very little cash, but I keep it on the go for the love of the older machines. If I am allowed to I will post a link below to a full video of the retro section.



Ah wow this takes me back :D
 
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Thanks for the very warm welcome. Don't worry,I am no spammer. KasinoKing will confirm this.:rolleyes:
I can confirm this! ;)
"Jonny" is a moderator at another gambling forum I visit and I actually invited him to come over here & sign up!

Ah wow this takes me back :D
Oh wow - me too!
I didn't know any of these machines were still available to play anywhere.
Right - I'm raiding the coppers from my piggy bank & booking a flight to Scotland right now! :thumbsup:
(Those machines owe me at least £10,000...)

KK
 
I can confirm this! ;)
"Jonny" is a moderator at another gambling forum I visit and I actually invited him to come over here & sign up!


Oh wow - me too!
I didn't know any of these machines were still available to play anywhere.
Right - I'm raiding the coppers from my piggy bank & booking a flight to Scotland right now! :thumbsup:
(Those machines owe me at least £10,000...)

KK

It would be great to see you or any of the other forum members. (Even VWM as long as he does not screw too much out of the puggies!) All these old machines you see in that video are set to a high % payout as when I used to play them in my teens there was nothing which pissed me off more than low % settings. This is also the case with all other machines in the arcade.
 
It would be great to see you or any of the other forum members. (Even VWM as long as he does not screw too much out of the puggies!) All these old machines you see in that video are set to a high % payout as when I used to play them in my teens there was nothing which pissed me off more than low % settings. This is also the case with all other machines in the arcade.

Some of those are so old that there isn't much to exploit in the programming. I see you have a working Line Up though, and they CAN be screwed down pretty tight. I have been kicked out of a few places for screwing Line Up down so tight that no-one else can win from it.

What you REALLY want to get is the early 10p play series of "Skill Climb" machines from BFM, and a few of the memorable Barcrest games like Action Bank and Cash Counter. These are more late 1980's, and many BFM variants got converted to 20p play.

From 1990's, many ACE machines were pretty good to play, but would need frequent refilling by the operator.

Few modern machines are "doable" because manufacturers seem to have become better at weeding out the glitches. Those that remain tend to be a closely guarded secret among players, and some are planted by the programmers who sell the secrets for very high prices. A few have been caught and I believe a couple got jail time for deliberately coding a "back door" into a machine and selling the "key".

The whole player scene seems to have collapsed during the late 1990's, perhaps because of the growth of online offerings, but also the sudden changes to £1 and even £2 stakes with high jackpots rather than "streaks" to chase down.

A couple of Vivid "Pie Factory" machines should be placed near the entrance, original ROM, so that I can be sure I have found the right place;)
 
Some of those are so old that there isn't much to exploit in the programming. I see you have a working Line Up though, and they CAN be screwed down pretty tight. I have been kicked out of a few places for screwing Line Up down so tight that no-one else can win from it.

What you REALLY want to get is the early 10p play series of "Skill Climb" machines from BFM, and a few of the memorable Barcrest games like Action Bank and Cash Counter. These are more late 1980's, and many BFM variants got converted to 20p play.

From 1990's, many ACE machines were pretty good to play, but would need frequent refilling by the operator.

Few modern machines are "doable" because manufacturers seem to have become better at weeding out the glitches. Those that remain tend to be a closely guarded secret among players, and some are planted by the programmers who sell the secrets for very high prices. A few have been caught and I believe a couple got jail time for deliberately coding a "back door" into a machine and selling the "key".

The whole player scene seems to have collapsed during the late 1990's, perhaps because of the growth of online offerings, but also the sudden changes to £1 and even £2 stakes with high jackpots rather than "streaks" to chase down.

A couple of Vivid "Pie Factory" machines should be placed near the entrance, original ROM, so that I can be sure I have found the right place;)

Vivid's Pie Factory eh? Everyone seems to know how to empty this bar me! What is the big secret on these? (Not that you would ever find one nowadays)
 
I think I will pass on that one!:lolup:


Towards the end, there was a 9 year old girl telling her older relatives how to do it, and an old granny or three doing them during the interval at bingo. You are "trade", how could this knowledge have passed you by.

The Rat Pack emptier was better, more subtle, but MUCH more profitable. You needed balls of steel and deep pockets to take it on though, no shallow cycle like Pie Factory. The ACE emptiers from the early 1990's were classic, every time a game got chipped, it just meant the old emptier got replaced with a new one.

Got any old ACE games from that period by any chance:D

All were simple "mid tech" games, a middle ground between the BarX types found in bingo halls and the feature rich "High tech" fruit machines like Vamp it Up.

You could do with a "golden age" section to feature all the classics from around 1989 to 1996 when the stake was 20p. It quickly went to ruin when 30p and £15 jackpots were brought in, and has never been the same since. A good selection of these could make a trip abroad up the A1 worthwhile.
 
Towards the end, there was a 9 year old girl telling her older relatives how to do it, and an old granny or three doing them during the interval at bingo. You are "trade", how could this knowledge have passed you by.

The Rat Pack emptier was better, more subtle, but MUCH more profitable. You needed balls of steel and deep pockets to take it on though, no shallow cycle like Pie Factory. The ACE emptiers from the early 1990's were classic, every time a game got chipped, it just meant the old emptier got replaced with a new one.

Got any old ACE games from that period by any chance:D

All were simple "mid tech" games, a middle ground between the BarX types found in bingo halls and the feature rich "High tech" fruit machines like Vamp it Up.

You could do with a "golden age" section to feature all the classics from around 1989 to 1996 when the stake was 20p. It quickly went to ruin when 30p and £15 jackpots were brought in, and has never been the same since. A good selection of these could make a trip abroad up the A1 worthwhile.


I would fully agree with this. 20p stake machines especially those with a £4.80 jackpot were by far the best. At least in those days machines were actually FUN to play & there was a chance of winning.
 
I would fully agree with this. 20p stake machines especially those with a £4.80 jackpot were by far the best. At least in those days machines were actually FUN to play & there was a chance of winning.

It really was the Golden Age. For one whole year I didn't touch my salary, but lived off the proceeds of regular evening and weekend visits to the local leisure centre until I finally got kicked out and banned. They then removed 90% of the machines and just had a couple in the bar, and my ban was quietly lifted. I turned to motorway services, and did OK until around 1996 off the 20p / £4.80 and £6 machines. Even the £8 machines had quite a few good games, and this lasted for a while into the 30p era, but things really died post Pie Factory, when the games had features that all paid under a fiver except the top one that paid £25. No "steals" or "skill climbs" left. Fewer machines had the "streak" to force out. £35 and £70 machines don't seem to have a "streak" at all. It's mostly £70 then stone cold. It's a big win, but unlike a "streak", it's over in seconds and not much fun.

I realise it has been YEARS since I did a "proper" tour playing the fruities at the services. The fact that I can sit here and play online fruities means that only the scenery and travel aspect lures me, not the games. I also face missing out on the online promos.

I may go on a celebration tour, but I said that last year, and the year before, and the year before that.................

I have still played the odd services on my other travels, but it's either Deal or No Deal, or the £500 jackpot hoovers. There are also the carpark clampers to worry about, which means being strict about nipping the car over to the other side every 2 hours, even at 3am. This means leaving mid-force, and expecting no-one to be "sharking" from the cafe (an unrealistic assumption, I know all the tricks, and most of the sharks;) ).
 
It really was the Golden Age. For one whole year I didn't touch my salary, but lived off the proceeds of regular evening and weekend visits to the local leisure centre until I finally got kicked out and banned. They then removed 90% of the machines and just had a couple in the bar, and my ban was quietly lifted. I turned to motorway services, and did OK until around 1996 off the 20p / £4.80 and £6 machines. Even the £8 machines had quite a few good games, and this lasted for a while into the 30p era, but things really died post Pie Factory, when the games had features that all paid under a fiver except the top one that paid £25. No "steals" or "skill climbs" left. Fewer machines had the "streak" to force out. £35 and £70 machines don't seem to have a "streak" at all. It's mostly £70 then stone cold. It's a big win, but unlike a "streak", it's over in seconds and not much fun.

I realise it has been YEARS since I did a "proper" tour playing the fruities at the services. The fact that I can sit here and play online fruities means that only the scenery and travel aspect lures me, not the games. I also face missing out on the online promos.

I may go on a celebration tour, but I said that last year, and the year before, and the year before that.................

I have still played the odd services on my other travels, but it's either Deal or No Deal, or the £500 jackpot hoovers. There are also the carpark clampers to worry about, which means being strict about nipping the car over to the other side every 2 hours, even at 3am. This means leaving mid-force, and expecting no-one to be "sharking" from the cafe (an unrealistic assumption, I know all the tricks, and most of the sharks;) ).


The current situation with motorway service station car parks is nothing short of outrageous. How can Moto in perticular expect a paying customer who is in the middle of a huge session on the puggies to pay £8 for parking? They can just stick this right up their a**e. Not to mention all the machines being on 70% which is the absolute legal minimum. The only machine I really play these days is Little Devils Fruits, but that can involve a huge session lasting far more than the 2 hours you are allowed. By the way, have you ever played this game? IMO, it is the best machine I have ever played, & I have played MANY machines over the years. It is so good, I even made a tribute video! If you want to see it, the link is below.

 
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The current situation with motorway service station car parks is nothing short of outrageous. How can Moto in perticular expect a paying customer who is in the middle of a huge session on the puggies to pay £8 for parking? They can just stick this right up their a**e. Not to mention all the machines being on 70% which is the absolute legal minimum. The only machine I really play these days is Little Devils Fruits, but that can involve a huge session lasting far more than the 2 hours you are allowed. By the way, have you ever played this game? IMO, it is the best machine I have ever played, & I have played MANY machines over the years. It is so good, I even made a tribute video! If you want to see it, the link is below.



They would rather have their £8 than a 4 hour multi fruit session with coffee break on 70% machines. I have noticed their arcades are often empty of players.

It could be a move to get rid of the "pros" because they win off their other customers, a bit like other arcades often do.

They have always had these charges, but in the "golden age" they were almost never enforced outside of peak holiday times when they suffered car park overflow. They should at least let travelling players buy season tickets for their car parks, or even give them out for free.

I do, however, remember stopping at Fleet services on the M3, and a notice on the arcade said that "arrangemements for parking" could be made for players who wanted a long session. I don't see the notice now.

On the odd occasion I have stopped at the services, I have seen no signs of regular players hanging about as you would in the 1990's.

I even saw one "no return" rule, so this was clearly aimed at the regulars who simply spent 2 hours northbound, 2 hours southbound, etc for a long session.

The charge covers 24 hours, so is not expensive in those terms, but it is inflexible in that you cannot pay for 6 hours with £2.

Down here it is £10, but in the 1990's I recall the further north I went, the lower and less rigorously enforced the rule.

Next year, clamping gets banned in England too, so the only way to enforce this rule is to send a bill to the registered keeper. It is the current fear of clamping that makes me wary, and I would have to leave a half forced machine to buy a ticket, at the risk of finding that after spending £8 or £10, I wasted my money because someone else made it onto the machine in the mean time.

I wonder whether they have considered the loss of revenue from dedicated fruitie players when implementing this rule. Out of town shopping centres DO recognise that expensive parking drives away customers, and usually give free parking which high street shoppers rarely get.
 
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Parking at service stations

That is another thing. If you are involved in a large sesh in a Welcome Break service station you can ask for a permit which allows you to park for as long as you are playing the machines for free. That is the way it should be. Why should a paying customer have to pay for parking? I do understand the 2 hour rule as it it is designed to stop people abandoning cars to car share etc. But there is absolutely no reason at all (apart from greed) why Moto services cannot give this concession to players who like a huge session. I got hit with an £80 charge once when I became involved in a massive 4 hour sesh. I had no intention whatsoever of paying this charge and sent it straight to the Moto head office along with a major letter of complaint. Needless to say they wrote back to me saying the charge was being waived. Big deal. It was getting bumped anyway! They have no legal way of collecting this type of fine anyway. Only the Police & courts have the power to collect fines. All they can do is send you threatening letters which I would just have filed straight in the bin!:D
 
That is another thing. If you are involved in a large sesh in a Welcome Break service station you can ask for a permit which allows you to park for as long as you are playing the machines for free. That is the way it should be. Why should a paying customer have to pay for parking? I do understand the 2 hour rule as it it is designed to stop people abandoning cars to car share etc. But there is absolutely no reason at all (apart from greed) why Moto services cannot give this concession to players who like a huge session. I got hit with an £80 charge once when I became involved in a massive 4 hour sesh. I had no intention whatsoever of paying this charge and sent it straight to the Moto head office along with a major letter of complaint. Needless to say they wrote back to me saying the charge was being waived. Big deal. It was getting bumped anyway! They have no legal way of collecting this type of fine anyway. Only the Police & courts have the power to collect fines. All they can do is send you threatening letters which I would just have filed straight in the bin!:D

They can still clamp you in England, at least until the new law comes into effect. I have seen an even worse parking term. If you don't pay the charge, your car will be clamped the next time it turns up in ANY of their service stations.

If I knew of an "emptier", I probably would pay the parking fee as a token of condolence for what I was about to take from them:p

I didn't know this Welcome Break "fruitie pro" permit system was at all of their services, nor that it was still running. The problem is that you STILL have to leave the machine to ask for the permit and stick it in the car. What is needed is an annual pass that can be displayed so that I could park at any Welcome Break, play as long as I liked, and not keep checking the time. Welcome break have some good arcades, but so do Moto.

I had one parking ticket that appeared at 3am in a blizzard at a Moto services. It was buried under snow, but flew off when I turned the wipers on. I picked it up, but the registration of the offending car had not been written on it, so my mistake, it wasn't MY parking ticket, I must have been mistaken:) Moto now use ANPR to work out how long you have parked, but all they will be able to do soon is send you a charge in the post, and I have never known any to be chased up.

My concern is that now it isn't Moto or Welcome Break that run the car park, but a contractor, and this contractor makes money by collecting the charges, hence the more rigorous enforcement.
 
Moto's Parking Extortion

If I were ever to be clamped at a service station I would kick up such a stink with the manager of the service station it WOULD be released for no charge. Either that or the stihl saw/boltcutters would come into play. I would not under any circumstances (as long as I had been a paying customer) pay any de clamping fee or any so called "Parking Charge Notice" UNLESS it was from the Police. NEVER!!
 
Incoming stupid question: Do they call it that because all the symbols are fruits? :o

Made me curious, so I went off a lookin...

Courtesy of wikipedia:

''Early machine gave out winnings in the form of fruit flavoured chewing gums with pictures of the flavours as symbols on the reels. The popular cherry and melon symbols derive from this machine. The BAR symbol now common in slot machines was derived from an early logo of the Bell-Fruit Gum Company. The payment of food prizes was a commonly used technique to avoid laws against gambling in a number of states''
 
If I were ever to be clamped at a service station I would kick up such a stink with the manager of the service station it WOULD be released for no charge. Either that or the stihl saw/boltcutters would come into play. I would not under any circumstances (as long as I had been a paying customer) pay any de clamping fee or any so called "Parking Charge Notice" UNLESS it was from the Police. NEVER!!

To be honest, I have only rarely seen cars having been clamped at the services. It is usually a charge notice put on the windscreen. I have even seen an "old banger" still there on a revisit some days later, with no clamp.

I am sure that in the past it has been mostly bluff, but with them having "sold the rights" for enforcement to the type of contractors that DO work on other private car parks, and DO clamp freely, I suspect that it is no longer a bluff, and that any charge will be followed up. The fees also exceed guidelines laid down by the voluntary code, which is a suggestion that the companies involved are free to do what they like, and have been doing so in earnest recently before they are finally put out of business in England as well as Scotland.

It is this persistent behaviour that has made the government outlaw clamping despite objections from landowners that they will be left with no way to protect their carparks from a "free for all". Had these companies behaved fairly, they would NOT have faced this change in the law, and may even have escaped it in Scotland.

At least without clamping and towing, the motorist cannot be held to ransom to pay on the spot, but can go away and mount a challenge to the charge if it is enforced through the courts (which is probably unlikely).

I suspect services will go back to managing their own carparks after clamping is banned, as the companies will no longer pay service station operators for the rights to operate parking control. It will be the other way around, with them asking to be paid to patrol the carparks. Only in peak times such as August bank holiday and the school summer holiday do they encounter problems with fitting new arrivals into the car parks, which is the only situation in which they can LOSE overall revenue from new visitors going elsewhere as car park "blocking" visitors do not spend enough per hour to make it up.

I also recall that in the old days most of the parking charge was given back as a restaurant voucher so that if you had stopped to rest and eat THEIR food, you paid very little for the parking, and the charge was to discourage non-paying customers from leaving their car there and spending money elsewhere, such as by bringing a picnic, or cooking in their caravan.

The original purpose of the charge was to ensure that spaces were always available to motorists wanting to pull in, and so only needed to be enforced for a fraction of the time.

There is NO danger of the car park being overfilled at 3am, but the new companies are out ticketing at this time, even in a SNOWSTORM!! This is not just greed, but a SAFETY issue, as it is forcing motorists to drive on when it is unsafe to do so due to the weather or tiredness, with those putting safety first being charged £10 or more for NOT leaving within the 2 hours regardless of conditions or tiredness. The highways agency just does not see this, and despite constantly running motorway campaigns aimed at getting drivers NOT to forge ahead if tired, or conditions are unsafe, they allow the operators of service stations to use a punitive charge to pressure motorists to move on after 2 hours, even if there is plenty of space available for them to stay, and new arrivals to park up.

This system also means that other laybys are stuffed with lorries, leaving nowhere for others to park up short term if needed. This is because the haulage industry is on it's knees already over high diesel prices and the inability to pass these on to customers because of competition from abroad using cheap diesel. They also save money by taking short cuts through small towns and villages, rather than taking the wide roads and dual carriageways that may get them there faster, but cost more in fuel. One notorious shortcut is used one way just to avoid the toll on the Severn bridge, as it is actually cheaper to fight through a few small villages to get into Wales from further up the M5/M6 than to go over the bridge. It's free to leave Wales, so it's not a problem the other way (if anything, this is the wrong way around:D).
 
Car Park Extortion

"I suspect services will go back to managing their own carparks after clamping is banned, as the companies will no longer pay service station operators for the rights to operate parking control. It will be the other way around, with them asking to be paid to patrol the carparks. Only in peak times such as August bank holiday and the school summer holiday do they encounter problems with fitting new arrivals into the car parks, which is the only situation in which they can LOSE overall revenue from new visitors going elsewhere as car park "blocking" visitors do not spend enough per hour to make it up."


Under the current situation the way I believe it works is the service stations pay these companies to patrol their car parks on behalf of the services operator. I am not however sure who gets the "Fine" money (If anyone is mug enough to pay that is). It most certainly would not be me anyway!:D
 
"I suspect services will go back to managing their own carparks after clamping is banned, as the companies will no longer pay service station operators for the rights to operate parking control. It will be the other way around, with them asking to be paid to patrol the carparks. Only in peak times such as August bank holiday and the school summer holiday do they encounter problems with fitting new arrivals into the car parks, which is the only situation in which they can LOSE overall revenue from new visitors going elsewhere as car park "blocking" visitors do not spend enough per hour to make it up."


Under the current situation the way I believe it works is the service stations pay these companies to patrol their car parks on behalf of the services operator. I am not however sure who gets the "Fine" money (If anyone is mug enough to pay that is). It most certainly would not be me anyway!:D

It's often the car park management company that get the money, which is why they will often pay to be allowed to operate a car park, and will try every piece of trickery they can think of to issue fines.

In law, no business can "fine" someone, they can only make a "reasonable charge" to cover their costs in remedying a breach of contract. This is why private clampers have long lists of "charges". If challenged in court, charges are often significantly reduced to what the judge feels was the reasonable cost to the company for dealing with the breach of contract. No element of profit is allowed to be factored in, which does NOT suit the clampers. They clamp and tow to get the money up front, and when cases do get to court, they will often ignore court orders to refund the charges. THIS is why the government has decided to ban the whole thing, rather than try yet again to get the industry to behave.

Those who bleat about no longer having the means to keep private car parks clear of unauthorised users only have themselves to blame. They HIRED these cowboy companies in the first place, else no cowboy company would be in business. The legit companies have also suffered because the cowboys were free to ignore all voluntary agreements at will, and nothing could be done about it.
 
It's often the car park management company that get the money, which is why they will often pay to be allowed to operate a car park, and will try every piece of trickery they can think of to issue fines.

In law, no business can "fine" someone, they can only make a "reasonable charge" to cover their costs in remedying a breach of contract. This is why private clampers have long lists of "charges". If challenged in court, charges are often significantly reduced to what the judge feels was the reasonable cost to the company for dealing with the breach of contract. No element of profit is allowed to be factored in, which does NOT suit the clampers. They clamp and tow to get the money up front, and when cases do get to court, they will often ignore court orders to refund the charges. THIS is why the government has decided to ban the whole thing, rather than try yet again to get the industry to behave.

Those who bleat about no longer having the means to keep private car parks clear of unauthorised users only have themselves to blame. They HIRED these cowboy companies in the first place, else no cowboy company would be in business. The legit companies have also suffered because the cowboys were free to ignore all voluntary agreements at will, and nothing could be done about it.


This will be a lot better for all in England when clamping is outlawed. It is just a form of extortion. That at least means you can enjoy a large session in a service station knowing your car will be OK. Any tickets etc. can just go straight in the bin!:D
 

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