hello meisters

**Rick Deckard** · 5th January 2011, 07:37 PM

Just saying hi. I'm quite good at Roulette, bad at Blackjack and play a bit of freeroll Poker as real money poker scares me a bit.

Don't know what your thoughts are but I would like to see a change in casinos bonus policy where all games should be allowed to be played not just the varying handfull of mainly Slot games a casino decides on. Especially I would like to see more casinos offering a fairer bonus deal on single zero Roulette as there is only to my knowledge one meister accredited casino (Sunset casino) that offers 100% bonus wagering on Roulette and if your not aware, most casinos don't allow you to play Roulette with a bonus so always check.

What irritates me most is for instance 32red or Bet365 allow partial bonus wagering on Roulette which is good, but BetFred casino (Fred the Bonus King) for instance doesn't allow you to play with your First deposit bonus "Roulette (All Types), BJ Switch and BJ Surrender (All Types), Spin A Win, Craps, Baccarat are restricted for wagering. Any wagering on these games will result in bonus and winnings being removed from a players account."

Yet does allow it (if think after main bonuses are ued up) in BF's General bonus rules "Bets placed with minimal or no risk on games like Baccarat, Craps or Roulette will not count towards wagering requirements and may be deemed as bonus abuse. This could result in your bonus funds and any accumulated winnings being voided at Betfred management's discretion and may result in exclusion from all future bonuses and promotions."

My point is casinos I think should be upfront and clearly show bonus excluded games and not just tuck them away in the T&C's page. I'm not saying BetFred's bonus policy is deceptive, just that it should be made much more clear on the main promotional material page to new players.

Oh and happy new year everyone I'll stop moaning and groaning now.

**vinylweatherman** · 5th January 2011, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rick Deckard

Just saying hi. I'm quite good at Roulette, bad at Blackjack and play a bit of freeroll Poker as real money poker scares me a bit.

Don't know what your thoughts are but I would like to see a change in casinos bonus policy where all games should be allowed to be played not just the varying handfull of mainly Slot games a casino decides on. Especially I would like to see more casinos offering a fairer bonus deal on single zero Roulette as there is only to my knowledge one meister accredited casino (Sunset casino) that offers 100% bonus wagering on Roulette and if your not aware, most casinos don't allow you to play Roulette with a bonus so always check.

What irritates me most is for instance 32red or Bet365 allow partial bonus wagering on Roulette which is good, but BetFred casino (Fred the Bonus King) for instance doesn't allow you to play with your First deposit bonus "Roulette (All Types), BJ Switch and BJ Surrender (All Types), Spin A Win, Craps, Baccarat are restricted for wagering. Any wagering on these games will result in bonus and winnings being removed from a players account."

Yet does allow it (if think after main bonuses are ued up) in BF's General bonus rules "Bets placed with minimal or no risk on games like Baccarat, Craps or Roulette will not count towards wagering requirements and may be deemed as bonus abuse. This could result in your bonus funds and any accumulated winnings being voided at Betfred management's discretion and may result in exclusion from all future bonuses and promotions."

My point is casinos I think should be upfront and clearly show bonus excluded games and not just tuck them away in the T&C's page. I'm not saying BetFred's bonus policy is deceptive, just that it should be made much more clear on the main promotional material page to new players.

Oh and happy new year everyone I'll stop moaning and groaning now.

Well, at least you READ the terms first, rather than getting caught out afterwards.

32Red DOES offer what you want if you make it into Club Rouge. All games then count 100%, even single zero roulette.
32Red don't just confiscate winnings either, winnings due to play that is not allowed under the bonus rules is converted to bonus, and subject to 100x WR. You at least stand a chance, and can spend a long time meeting 100x WR whilst contemplating how you got yourself into that mess to begin with.

32Red will also drop you from the reload bonuses list after a few months of PURELY playing the 100% reloads. 32Red bonuses are only for players "who received the email", even though they are all visible in the lobby. No email = check first before claiming.

Casinos that allow these games usually make the WR higher than for slots. Saying a game "counts 50%" is just another way of saying "WR is doubled" for that game class.

**Rick Deckard** · 5th January 2011, 08:18 PM

I wonder whats stopping 32Red from allowing 100% (rather than 50%) on european roulette straight from the off, as like you say they allow full 100% bonus wagering later on in their Club Rouge so what are they afraid of ? As they do impose a maximum £6 wager limit which will reduce your playing power to meet the playthrough. Saying all that at least they go the extra mile and allow players to play the bonus in 0 Roulette so good on em.

**KasinoKing** · 5th January 2011, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rick Deckard

Don't know what your thoughts are but I would like to see a change in casinos bonus policy where all games should be allowed to be played not just the varying handful of mainly Slot games a casino decides on. Especially I would like to see more casinos offering a fairer bonus deal on single zero Roulette as there is only to my knowledge one meister accredited casino (Sunset casino) that offers 100% bonus wagering on Roulette and if your not aware, most casinos don't allow you to play Roulette with a bonus so always check.

If you understood exactly how "Advantage Players" think and bet, you would totally understand why casinos HAVE to impose these very restrictive terms on their bonuses.
As a "normal" player I find this extremely frustrating too, especially because if the casinos REALLY put some thought & effort into it, I'm sure they could come up with bonuses allowing play on ALL games while still protecting themselves from the advantage guys.

As with many things in life, it is the majority who suffer due to the actions of the minority...

Welcome to the forum!

KK

**jod5413** · 6th January 2011, 12:22 AM

Welcome to Casinomeister.

I see you have already made a few friends!

Make yourself at home.

**Rick Deckard** · 6th January 2011, 04:08 PM

If you understood exactly how "Advantage Players" think and bet, you would totally understand why casinos HAVE to impose these very restrictive terms on their bonuses.
As a "normal" player I find this extremely frustrating too, especially because if the casinos REALLY put some thought & effort into it, I'm sure they could come up with bonuses allowing play on ALL games while still protecting themselves from the advantage guys.

What about the old fashioned way of doing things where the casino offers the player comps. Not the kind of comps given out by most online casinos (comps as a bonus credits along with all the restrictions), but the ones given out by brick and mortar casinos where you are given free drinks or a small percentage of your losses without any restrictions.

They could send you a case of wine every month for instance or give out real genuine cashable cash. Virgin casino does something like this with V points which are comps for withdrawable cash, gift shop vouchers, free flights and the like, but their standard bonus is still only for slots and videopoker and of no use for playing table games.

Thanks for the welcome Jod5413

**Diane** · 7th January 2011, 06:59 AM

Let me add my welcome also. I found my way here about a year ago and its been very informative and interesting.

Stay on the high road and above the fray and you will do just fine. Feel free to render opinions and add info, but don't get sucked down into the pit of negativity.

There is a lot of good stuff here!

Diane