The CAP Solution

[casinojack]

As a business person, coming form the sportsbook side, we have paid forums for advertising. We open our doors to these forums "mods" coming by, seeing what we do, and looking at players accounts when disputes arise. We have a greed form the to be arbitrators.

Trying to see where I am spending my advertising money this year, is hard. I haven't even launched our casino dedicated sites, and already im being pulled into some of this.

Would be ok for them to just agree, "Hey we here to make money". I'm ok with that. I think affiliates would be also. Let me tell you what we do now, and again, i'm noob aff manager for casino, but based on sportsbook.

One of the forums sells affiliate management software. We rent it monthly, and this is good for everyone. Why ?

Well, software is hosted by this particular forum to keep me honest. I cant "skim" players, or mess around with the stats. They are what they are. The forum makes money to sell me this SW,and affiliates know I'm on the Up and UP

Also, we have an open door policy. you in Costa Rica? Never sent me a player ? Np, come over for the tour.

What about forum complaints ? Lets us face it, noone perfect, but both parties agree to the forum settling it. If the Aff Program does not, bye bye. Simple, Things end, people make money.

Anyways, no more fist fights in London unless I can place odds ;-)

Seriously though, WE need to get back to making money..

[greek39]

WE need to get back to making money..

How? When big portions of our industry lacks trust, integrity, transparency, code of ethics etc...

I feel CAP lacks all the above and them some so do others. The roguish behavior gives doubt spawning an higher risk on no return for hard labor.

Strangely enough I spent three years in the trenches trying too bust into this market. No earnings until I felt the urge to hide everything. Only then did things turn around for me.

JMO

greek39

[GaryWatson]

How? When big portions of our industry lacks trust, integrity, transparency, code of ethics etc...
greek39

True, if CAP dies, we dont need a vaccum. CAP has its place. It is a money making machine, It has done lots for many affiliates. What we dont need is a rush for an opening.

CAP deals with its own issues. We can chose to obey or not.

My solution is not a CAP solution. I would blacklist them for real reasons like they have blacklisted others for their own motives. We cannot compromise. It might be the same story in 3 years time but not without demorilizing half of the decent people left.

[jas2587]

Why can't some one else become the "boss' of the affiliates "boss" might not be the right word but clearly (Lou + warren) are upsetting every one an not doing what they are Paid to do

From what I have read if I had the cash an paid it I could be on top of the list an not have to do a darn thing cept write a check then I am a site to go to
shame I dont have a site
I have always said I am a player I gamble I spend MY cash to play I dont take no bonus unless forced on me

Bryan Simmo Max Spearmeister an Webzcas if I am out of line I am sorry but this is MO

I think I am leaving some 1 out a Moderator an for that I am sorry

Cindy

[GaryWatson]

Why can't some one else become the "boss' of the affiliates "boss" might not be the right word but clearly (Lou + warren) are upsetting every one an not doing what they are Paid to do

Cindy, there are a lot of good leaders out there. Boss probably isnt the word, they are generally referred to as mentors, and their job is to guide affiliates. They get paid by performance. If the affiliate does well, so do they.

CAP probably started as mentor to many affiliates but somewhere along the line their motives seem to have changed. Now there seems to be a clash of interests. They no longer seem to support those they are supposed the shepherd and it looks as though they are working with the operators, not a bad thing in itself, but recent actions seem to indicate they are bullying their underlings (and possibly some operators).

[lots0]

The solution seems to be working its self out.

Webmasters and Casinos that care about Honesty, Integrity and how our business is perceived by the public are voting with their feet and leaving CAP...

Webmasters across the web are blacklisting CAP on their websites and the results are just now starting to show up in the search results (and CAP's pet blackhat SEO can't do a damn thing about it )

In a very short period of time new webmasters that are looking to become affiliates will be become aware of CAP's standing (or lack thereof) in the Industry, before they get caught up in the shady bullshit that goes on at CAP.

The end is nigh...

[casinojack]

We need someone to protect affiliates AND players alike. My sportsbook uses a forum to do this, and we pay to be inspected (that's right, ONSITE inspections) and Ill admit they don't always go my way, BUT I respect the desicons of the mods their, they are truely impartial.

This might be good, to agree to "arbitration", keep everyone level.

PS, to be upfront, I like this too. When we want to stop a player due to chargebacks, fraud etc. I don't blacklist the player on forums, of course, but you would be surprised what players do.

Any rate, CAP, hope you guys get back on track. Was a lot of positive things for a LONG time, sorry it went this way. CM MODS, keep it up

[lots0]

...Any rate, CAP, hope you guys get back on track. Was a lot of positive things for a LONG time, sorry it went this way. CM MODS, keep it up

I got to disagree with you.
CAP was NEVER positive for the industry, Lou and Warren just kept most of the nasty smelly CAP dirt hidden till recently.

Best solution... For CasinoAffilaitePrograms.com to fade away into nothingness.

[Casinomeister]

Well, it looks like this thread has run its course. If there are no more "solutions" to CAP, then I guess we should put this issue to rest and close the thread.

Any objections?

[maxlevine]

Well, it looks like this thread has run its course. If there are no more "solutions" to CAP, then I guess we should put this issue to rest and close the thread.

Any objections?

Before you close this thread, I have a suggestion.

Considering the loss of trust in the affiliate industry caused by this commotion, why don't you create a new forum in Webmaster's Corner where webmasters and affiliate managers could get together and exch... hold it... ok, never mind.