Card Spike

**winbig** · 28th January 2009, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by lots0

You should try not to let your personal friendship and financial ties blind you...
That goes out to both Dom and Win.

No comment. Too much drama for my blood.

*goes back to the sidelines, like everyone else should do unless they have pertinent Facts to let us know about.*

**lots0** · 28th January 2009, 02:16 AM

A lot of personal and financial relationships getting tangled here...

Damn I hate to lose friends, especially when it's over people like Lou and Warren.

**winbig** · 28th January 2009, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by lots0

A lot of personal and financial relationships getting tangled here...

Damn I hate to lose friends, especially when it's over people like Lou and Warren.

I have nothing against anyone...

Friendship or not, I know Dom very well, and trust me, she'll do what she can, and not let relationships - friends or money - stand in her way or cloud her judgement.

**mojo** · 28th January 2009, 07:50 PM

I think many of us are angry that we are ALL put in this awkward position in the first place. No matter who steps up. No offense intended Dom. We all know it was Lou and Warren who landed us here in the first place. What we really need first and foremost is:

1. CardSpike payments made
2. Full transparancy on the CardSpike/CAP relationship
3. Full transparancy on the Absolute Slots/Effective Media/Cap relationship
4. Disclosure on any other properties Effective Media and/or Cap have interest in.

Only then can Cap begin to rebuild. JMO

**dominique** · 29th January 2009, 11:28 AM

I need to clarify something here.

I am not part of affiliate media in any way.

I can't and have no desire to try to have any dealings with the business of affiliate media. I have never been part of it, have no idea what they are doing and don't consider it my business.

All I want to do is to keep CAP running effectively, CAP being a message board that sorts affiliate issues the same way Casinomeister sorts player issues.

CAP is just a message board, and I have moderated there as volunteer for years. There is only one change I would like to effect, and that is the way bannings are handled.

Seeing about card spike affiliates being paid is just part of normal business, it's what CAP does, see to it that affiliates are treated fairly.

Will I succeed? I don't know. Is it a tall order? Yes. Should I just turn the other cheek and not even try? Of course not.

Only time will tell what can be accomplished there.

IMO CAP has been very beneficial to affiliates as a whole, whether they are part of the community or not. Just as Meister benefits all players, whether they visit here or not.

Both boards are some sort of self regulation for an unregulated industry. Without the communities the casinos would be able to walk all over everyone.

I would hate to see something that has been beneficial for so many years get into trouble because someone made some bad decisions.

So my motivation and goals are really very simple. Not every player issue can be resolved, that's why casinos are rogued. The same goes for affiliate issues. If I can't solve the affiliate problems with card spike, they too will be rogued. Really, they are already rogue. I just want to see if a fresh approach can make a difference. If I can just one affiliate paid, it will be worth the effort. Let's hope I can do better than that.

**Nandakishore** · 29th January 2009, 01:46 PM

Dom, I wish you the best of luck.

**lots0** · 29th January 2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by dominique

If I can't solve the affiliate problems with card spike, they too will be rogued. Really, they are already rogue.

let me get this straight...

Your going to Rogue the owners of the forum that you volunteer at???

It has been shown beyond any doubt that Lou and Warren operate Card Spike. There is a very very good chance they own it...

And your going to Rogue them from a forum they own????

Sorry Dom, that just does not make any sense.

Sounds to me more like Lou and Warren want an honest face (Dom's) to run their forum so it and their other programs appears legit to casinos and other affiliates.

**mojo** · 1st February 2009, 01:57 AM

Didn't want this to get lost. I know London is going on but perhaps while in London someone asked about this?

Originally Posted by Ridge
Hello I am Randy and I was a long time member of PAP/CAP. I had the screen name Ridge on both those forums too before I was banned for speaking about about not getting paid. I was lucky enough to get a good start with Cardspike and even built to dedicated Cardspike sites and I have a very active forum with some high stakes grinders that I signed up there.

You guys know the story that follows, we never got paid, we started several thread to try and get a resolution and in the end we got banned for speaking out at PAP and CAP..

To date I have only been paid a small amount directly from Warren Jolly and I was told to keep quiet and I would get the rest. After a couple more months I realized I was never getting paid and started speaking with Lou and Warren to get paid.. They threatened me, cussed, me and finally banned me..

I have documentation of everything including PM's, Emails, IM's, and screenshots from Lou, Warren, Greg Powell (Former AM).

My stats were altered and my Cardspike affiliate account has since been locked/Closed - I am doing rakeback there so I still have players but cannot get paid, see stats or even log in.. I have emailed Cake Poker several times and they are not helping get my players, money, or my account unlocked.

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to post the screenshots of my affiliate account before my stats were altered, so I will wait until I hear something back..

This whole mess has really took a toll on me and I really want to put it behind me, but if there is a chance we can finally see our money and maybe Cake Poker will step up and kick CS off their network.

I will be more than happy to send an Admin here every bit of documentation I have on this issue..

**lots0** · 1st February 2009, 08:23 PM

So any new status on CAP's Lou and Warren's website CardSpike site cheating affiliates out of their money?

Or how about News on how many Casino programs walked away from CAP because they were being double dealt by CAP?

**Simmo!** · 2nd February 2009, 12:59 AM

I am of the opinion that the fallout from this saga will rumble on for months. There seemed to be a general concensus from all sides that the public "assessments" have served their purpose in making the industry aware of the facts, but are now being used to pursue more personal agendas which can only damage the industry. Consequently, I suspect whatever actions/reactions there are will be communicated privately and with the minimum of public fuss.

That's just my opinion based on what I heard over the week.