Rogue List

[aksana]

Ok, so one can't see the source code. But that can be a protection against content theft?

Understand nothing. Dom, can you see my source code? I didn't disable to view my source code. I could see it in FF3, IE7, Opera without any problems. Do you have any difficulties to view my source code?

[dominique]

No, I can't see it. Using IE7. I think it may be part of the copyscape protection?

[aksana]

No, I can't see it. Using IE7. I think it may be part of the copyscape protection?

Of course, no, I don't have any copyscape protections. I can see my source from all browsers. It's very strange, ok, I'll ask other members to check my source. Thanks for letting me know.

You may try to view my source code in Firefox, Opera, Safari. I've just checked, it's viewable in all browsers. I don't understand why you can't see it in IE, maybe it's IE bug?

[dominique]

Ok, I just read at GPWA - yes I was using the right-click to view source.

I can see source if I go through IE page tools...

[lots0]

Ok, so one can't see the source code. But that can be a protection against content theft?

Not really, because the source is visible using other methods, than right click. That's how the browsers are able to render the source. If the browser is able to render the source... the content can be copied and stolen.

More like it would prevent a script (or translator) from EASILY being able locate "duplicate" content.

You said that I was a link spammer, you said that I used blackhat SEO, you said that I had a spam network, you said that I was a Russian front of spammers affiliated with 888.com and moreover you said that I promoted them exclusively (I have never promoted them exclusively!!!)- nothing was proved by real facts. And now you say that I use cloaking techniques, how can I use them if I even know nothing about such techniques.

Ya that perdy much sums up what I think. With a couple of exceptions;

1. I never said you promoted 888 exclusively... I believe the exact wording I used was "almost exclusively". I guess I could have been a little more clear in my choice of words, sorry.

2. I said you are a link spammer. But I also said that it is not up to me to decide if you are or not. It is up to google to decide if you are a link spammer or not.
I would refer you to the section on Link Spam here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamdexing
or here
http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35769

Then take a look at your site in Yahoo site explorer... what do you see?

[aksana]

2. I said you are a link spammer. But I also said that it is not up to me to decide if you are or not. It is up to google to decide if you are a link spammer or not.
I would refer you to the section on Link Spam here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamdexing
or here
http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35769

Ok, today I've read this article written by Gary, a SEO expert. So, from his article I see that it's allowed to use subdomains to geo target. So why are my subdomains spam? Please, explain me this thing, I don't understand why you think that I'm a link spammer.

Ok, I have another question. We all know casinocity.com. It's one of my favorite gambling portals, and it's one of the oldest and respected gambling portals. Look at its index http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com...casinocity.com - more than 94,000 pages, and a lot of subdomains, are they also link spammers? Of course, no. So, why am I a link spammer? I just want to have geo-targeted subdomains.

Then take a look at your site in Yahoo site explorer... what do you see?

Of course, I see my pages, but what is strange there?
Why do you never explain your thoughts?

You said that I used a cloaking script that to hide my source code, but you didn't explain me why you thought so. Only Dom told me that she couldn't see my source code by right clicking in IE, BUT She could see my source code by using the menu in IE. So where is your cloaking script? You even didn't apologize for that.

So, please, explain why you think that my subdomains are spam?

[Alexandre]

Aksana has been a very naughty girl and she was caught with here nose in the pot of jam.
She admited it and she is now giving credit to CasinoMeister for the rogue casinos list.
Maybe it's not enough for Bryan and he would like her to remove the list.
But I don't understand all the "russian link spammer cloaker" thing.
I didn't want to jump earlier in this thread because it involves checking datas but now I've spent about 20mn doing it I don't see a footprint of spam in the source or backlinks of her website.
No problemo for me concerning subdomains and languages it's the way it has to be done and it's the way I do it (slightly different, my www. doesn't host the primary language, it redirects to the proper one, it's just a hub page).
All the links which appear in the homepage are visible by the user from the right navigation (like ABC Casino Bonus Guide and Casino Payments Methods Guide).
That's not cloaking and I don't see anything else which could be interpreted as cloaking.
Concerning links, her website has less than 1.200...not big numbers for a link spammer and after checking some of hem I couldn't find anything I wouldn't do myself (I have some corpses around me but who doesn't in terms of SEO when you know that you can't control who links to you).
Finally I don't see any clear accusation against Aksana, just questioning but maybe I've missed something ?

[lots0]

...Concerning links, her website has less than 1.200...not big numbers for a link spammer and after checking some of hem I couldn't find anything I wouldn't do myself (I have some corpses around me but who doesn't in terms of SEO when you know that you can't control who links to you).
Finally I don't see any clear accusation against Aksana, just questioning but maybe I've missed something ?

Don't know where you get your 1200 figure... according to yahoo site explorer her site changes on a daily basis from some 15,000 pages to around 10,000 pages depending on how her 'cloaking' script has been configured.

As of this writing the site is showing 15,209 pages.

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com...&fr2=seo-rd-se

Since all the attention to this site, it appears that the cloaking script was removed yesterday and replaced by a right click denial meta tag.

I will say this... whoever is doing her coding is perdy good.

[lots0]

I just wanted to let everyone know I'm done with this.

I have a mountain of circumstantial evidence that points toward her site. but the only REAL hard proof that I could find and present to the community was the copying of CM's list.

The community has been now been informed and the search engines have been informed.

Everyone can now make their own decisions about this site.

If you don't believe me fine by me... If you do, it is also fine by me. The only horse I got in this race is still back in the stable.

FYI - The main reason spammers/scammers can exist so well in todays world is because of the difficulty of PROVING the hacking/spamming. Even big powerful governments have a very hard time proving spamming/hacking, even with all their resources. And the bad guys know this very very well.

[Alexandre]

I was talking about 1.200 inbound links not indexed pages.
You'll find them here.
Concerning the difference of pages showed by Google or Yahoo from a day to another it has nothing to do with cloaking, just datacenter round ups or updates.
As I've said before, maybe I've missed something.
Could you explain clearly why do you suspect this site to use cloaking and which kind of method it is/was using ?
I've checked the Google cache of the website's homepage done for the date of the 24th avril 2009 and I didn't find anything suspicious or different of what I can see now.