Rogue List

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by aksana

If you do not mind I will add a link to your blacklist on my page.

A Link-Back should have been the first thing you did aksana. Anytime you use info or content from someone else's site you should first and foremost have their blessing or approval and then at the very least give that webmaster a Link-Back to the original content. It's really hard for me to believe that you would not know about Link-Backs and content theft.

[aksana]

Originally Posted by lots0

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com...&fr2=seo-rd-se

Ok, I don't see any link spammers here. My site is very big, and all these pages have content. Except one subdomain, cowboy.777-online-gambling.net. Really, I had a small site there, but soon I closed it, and now it's only redirected to www.777-online-gambling.net.

All other subdomains are translated sites. So I don't see any link spam here.

Originally Posted by lots0

http://www.google.com/search?q=link:...&start=10&sa=N

These are my backlinks, I don't see any link spam there. Some links are from my site, some links are from directories, some links from forums. I'd like to remove my link from only a one site, but it's impossible. So, 25 backlinks is a link spam, isn't it?

Originally Posted by lots0

http://www.google.com/search?q=%2277...ient=firefox-a

Ok, these are my pages, and all of them contain content. Is it not allowed to have so many subdomains?

I again don't understand why you are so angry at me

[aksana]

Also I'd like to post a link to the GPWA thread, where lots0 started the same topic and we are also discussing it there:
http://www.gpwa.org/forum/777-steali...nt-180635.html

[aksana]

And one more thing, copyscape does not give any results when you check my page there, so I again repeat that I didn't copy all Bryan's content, I only took an alphabetical list of rogue casinos, that to prevent my visitors from playing there. This list can't be changed because it's just a list.

Of course, I was to add any mention about CasinoMeister site, what I have done now.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by aksana

And one more thing, copyscape does not give any results when you check my page there, so I again repeat that I didn't copy all Bryan's content, I only took an alphabetical list of rogue casinos, that to prevent my visitors from playing there. This list can't be changed because it's just a list.

Of course, I was to add any mention about CasinoMeister site, what I have done now.

Of course a list is a list. It's all in how you present it.

It's one thing to just list the casinos, but it's even better to actually write (in your own words) why players should stay away from them.

A list without these reasons carries no weight, imo..that goes for anyone, not just you.

[aksana]

Originally Posted by winbig

Of course a list is a list. It's all in how you present it.

It's one thing to just list the casinos, but it's even better to actually write (in your own words) why players should stay away from them.

A list without these reasons carries no weight, imo..that goes for anyone, not just you.

Of course, I agree with you. But time, time and again time. And of course, I have such task in my plans. Lots0 can't believe that I run my site alone, but it's true. As he said on GPWA:

Also those of you that think that this 777 network is run by ONLY one woman is not familiar with running a network.

I work 10-12 hours a day, and I'm trying to do my best. Usually spammers and content stealers do not work so many hours.

[Casinomeister]

Back to the content "scrape". If you want to have a list of rogue or blacklisted casinos, you need to do the research and build your own. Don't copy lists.

What you should have done is to build a page with links to others' Black List pages. I could think of a few. You could summarize each one for instance: Casinomeister's Rogue Section - detailed exposes on Rogue, Not Recommended Casinos, Fake Watchdog sites, Rogue software, etc., etc., etc. This would have been much more informative and is conductive to a better Internet environment.

What you did was just plain lazy and sloppy. You should have known better.

And what's with all the sites by the way. You're polluting the Internet with this stuff. Ask yourself "are all these 777 sites necessary?" This is not responsible webmastering IMO.

Admin note: moved to webmaster section.

[aksana]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Back to the content "scrape". If you want to have a list of rogue or blacklisted casinos, you need to do the research and build your own. Don't copy lists.

What you should have done is to build a page with links to others' Black List pages. I could think of a few. You could summarize each one for instance: Casinomeister's Rogue Section - detailed exposes on Rogue, Not Recommended Casinos, Fake Watchdog sites, Rogue software, etc., etc., etc. This would have been much more informative and is conductive to a better Internet environment.

What you did was just plain lazy and sloppy. You should have known better.

Ok, Bryan, today I will remove this list. And will write my own. I agree with you and I again apologize for that.

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

And what's with all the sites by the way. You're polluting the Internet with this stuff. Ask yourself "are all these 777 sites necessary?" This is not responsible webmastering IMO.

yes, these sites are necessary. And I was not going to spam the Internet, just wanted to offer casinos, promotions and news in other languages, what I'm doing now.

[dominique]

I am confused.

Are these different sites, or are they subdomains with content translated into different languages?

My site has different language sections, and I am told that for better SEO I should make these foreign language pages subdomains so spiders have an easier time sorting this...

I also check the Casinomeister Rogue List periodically to see if I missed anything in my blacklist - mostly I go by my own player complaints, but there are a lot of casinos out there I don't touch with a ten foot pole so of course I have no complaints about them and they still need to be added.

IMO the internet is about information, as webmasters we all should provide the most complete information we can gather. And we shouldn't be afraid to refer our visitors to sites that have additional info, There is a box on top of Casinomeister when you login that shows who is referring players to the forum/site. I am almost always in that box. It's a give and take, and the point of it is to provide the best possible service to visitors.

So, the fact that Aksana cares about telling her visitors about bad casinos is a good thing. That she looked at Casinomeister for a list is a good thing. But, she should have spent more time before putting up her own list, like Bryan said, crossreferenced with other sites that have this info and researched the reasons for the rogueing. Then a decent page can go up that is all her own, and should link to the sites that helped provide the info.

I think Aksana meant well and cared enough to provide that info. That's a huge plus in my eyes, too many sites just could care less where they send their visitors. But she could have asked Bryan if she can use his info, supplemented it herself with additional info, and given credit where credit is due.

Now I am still at a loss about this subdomain thing, a recent SEO lecture recommended this for separation of different languages...

[aksana]

Originally Posted by dominique

I am confused.

Are these different sites, or are they subdomains with content translated into different languages?

My site has different language sections, and I am told that for better SEO I should make these foreign language pages subdomains so spiders have an easier time sorting this...

Dominique, these are only subdomains with content translated into different languages. And I don't understand why they think that it's a blackhat SEO and link spam.