UltimateBet - Absolute Poker Scam

[NASHVEGAS]

I think it's either 1 of 2 things:

1: UB has Phil Brainwashed
2: Phil signed a 5+ year contract and can't get out of it

It would have to be #1 as 99.9% of endorsement contracts (assuming proper representation by a licensed agency) have broad termination clauses. Jurisdiction would be interesting also. Anyway, money talks but it don't walk it appears!!!

[winbig]

It would have to be #1 as 99.9% of endorsement contracts (assuming proper representation by a licensed agency) have broad termination clauses. Jurisdiction would be interesting also. Anyway, money talks but it don't walk it appears!!!

Oh, I forgot #3:

Phil is too wrapped up in himself to even care what's really going on and how others think about him

OR the most believable #4:

Phil knows what's going on, but is using the controversy surrounding UB to get people to talk about him more and more.

It's working, isn't it?

[jetset]

It doesn't make sense to me. Hellmuth could take his pick from any poker site, yet he chooses to be associated with these crooks?

I'm guessing Phil's not short of a buck, so even if he needed to take a small pay cut, I would have thought it was worth it instead of having your reputation tarnished......even more in his case.

I agree, and I am likewise disappointed that someone like Annie Duke continues to endorse UB and its "new" management.

[lots0]

I just watched Anne Duke in a NL Heads Up Tourney a few days ago... She was the only well known Pro that was NOT wearing any Online Poker Room Endorsements while at the Tourney.

I found this lack of Poker Room Advertisements on Ms. Duke's person to be interesting and worth commenting on.

As far as Phil H. goes... He is warped, he seems to think that his supposed "Rep" as the "Bad Boy" of poker extends to advertising for the worst cheaters in the online Poker World... Phil has shown himself time after time to be a few bricks short of a full load... If you get my drift.

[pokeraddict]

It doesn't make sense to me. Hellmuth could take his pick from any poker site, yet he chooses to be associated with these crooks?

It has been discussed in another forum that he owns a part of UB. I certainly can't confirm that but many industry players seem to think that is the case.

[JustForFun]

Hi all,
Just wondering which poker sites fall under Ultimate Bet ownership? Or, are there any suggestions on how I can easily find this info somewhere?
Thanks in advance
JustForFun

[pokeraddict]

Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet are owned by the same group. UB skins, according to Poker Scout are:

BenefitPoker.com
Bet21.com
DV8Poker.com
UpperclassPoker.com

AP has no skins.

[JustForFun]

Thank you POKERADDICT!

[jetset]

Very interesting report on Ontario Superior Court proceedings involving Excapsa, Tokwiro, ex-Chief Norton et al.

Includes details of how much Tokwiro paid for Excapsa and it's rigged software in 2006.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_p...html?id=930128

[winbig]

Very interesting report on Ontario Superior Court proceedings involving Excapsa, Tokwiro, ex-Chief Norton et al.

Includes details of how much Tokwiro paid for Excapsa and it's rigged software in 2006.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_p...html?id=930128

wow....

The commission identified U. S. professional poker player Russell Hamilton, a former consultant to Ultimate Bet, as "the main person responsible" for the cheating. Mr. Hamilton has not been charged with any criminal wrongdoing, and he has not responded publicly to the commission's allegations.

He should be arrested and tried in court for this. At least that's what they'd do in Vegas and other casinos if you're found cheating; especially with the aid of a device, such as this.