IMPORTANT - CAP Euro Event Changes

[RobWin]

Agreed. Plus Alex is an employee of the company anyway so ultimately that wouldn't have been his decision. I'll be supporting both Alex and Marc and will be at both.

If we avoided doing things because a company whose morals we didn't agree with benefitted down the line, we wouldn't do anything. Wouldn't put my money in a bank, wouldn't fly anywhere, probably wouldn't even have a computer.

And that is ultimately why CAP will flourish again one day in the near future...
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[Simmo!]

And that is ultimately why CAP will flourish again one day in the near future...
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I take it you don't use banks then Rob

[RobWin]

I take it you don't use banks then Rob

I do, although I hate to admit it... But actually no more than I have to as a life necessity, whereas helping to line the pockets of CAP by attending their events is not a life necessity.

But I still respect your choice to attend, don't understand it though...but I respect your decision.
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[Simmo!]

You could always keep the cash under your bed. If you do, can you ping me your address...I'd like to pop in for a coffee

My point is not really just banks, but in everyday life we use and do all sorts of things that have links to companies whose ethics we won't agree with, but we will choose to ignore them because it's more convenient or we don't really care. Cosmetic products + companies that use animal testing? Companies who pollute the atmosphere? Just a couple of many non "life necessity" examples. I bet everyone here and at GPWA has at least one company whose ethics they disagree with but that they support in some way, shape or form when there are alternative options.

[Simmo!]

Actually, just for shits and giggles, here's an alternative viewpoint:

CAP primarily derive revenue from the affiliate programs advertising. The affiliate programs survive off players generated by affiliates. The more affiliates that attend the conferences, the more deals will be done. The more deals that are done, the more money affiliate programs make. The more money affiliate programs make, the less they need to advertise. The less they need to advertise...

[Pinababy69]

Well, only 10 months later now and it appears that the truth of this IGB/Cap financial relationship is finally revealed....

Is anyone actually surprised?

Looks like business as usual to me...this freaking industry will never change IMO as long as you peeps keep on supporting and/or attending these conferences that CAP is truly a beneficiary of!!

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Rob, I actually just went and read the whole thread..well, most of it anyway. Maybe you can tell me if I have this right?

Last year, MCorfman/GPWA go out of their way to "dig up the dirt" on CAP, and end up knocking them down a few notches over the whole Cardspike issue (and Absolute Slots as well?). The main concern in all of it was LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, right? So GPWA ends up benefitting from CAP's losses...long and short of it. Many programs left CAP and I would assume that GPWA's business picked up as a result?

Now...fast forward to this year and an upcoming affiliate conference. Mojo posts, wanting to know what financial/business relationship there is between CAP and the sponsors of the next affy conference, because she doesn't want to support in any way, shape or form, the owners of CAP. Reasonable request, in the interests of TRANSPARENCY. The thread goes along, and we end up with JTodd (Integrity) posting what I assume was supposed to be hush hush confidential info regarding CAP and their current affiliations. M Corfman even goes so far as to remove the thread, edit out this highly confidential info, and slap JTodd with a temporary posting ban. Am I following this so far Rob?

Then...wait for it...along comes Alex, who...LO AND BEHOLD, confirms that CAP does indeed profit financially from these conferences re: the contracts and business arrangements in place. So, one is left to assume that this is the highly confidential info that JTodd had posted, and which obviously M Corfman and GPWA/Casino City employees were privy to all along...but which affiliates who may attend one of these conventions, were not allowed to know about.

To sum it up...the same M Corfman that sought to bring down CAP a year ago, now goes out of his way to protect the very same CAP..with the very same Warren Jolly at the helm? Even to the extent of suspending one of his own employees from posting. Hypocrisy sure does make strange bedfellows doesn't it? BTW, I'm not calling Michael Corfman personally a hypocrite. It's this whole industry...it's BUILT on hypocrisy...it's the foundation.

Can you tell me if I've come close Rob? I haven't been following this saga for the last year..so this past half hour was a crash course on the latest goings on of GPWA/Casino City/CAP...and all the highly ethical people involved with all of them.

[Pinababy69]

I take it you don't use banks then Rob

BTW, I don't use banks Simmo...strictly on principle. Most of my financial dealings are in cash...and I intend to keep it that way. I don't need banks and/or CC companies knowing my business, or what I spend my money on. I even pay my rent in cash. And my only CC is a prepaid one..when I wanna buy something (online), I go and load the money on that I need just for that purchase.

I do get your point about having to (in some cases), deal with companies whose ethics leave something to be desired. Perfect example..phone and internet companies. Honestly, if I didn't have a small child, I wouldn't even have a phone, period. I don't have a cellphone, and refuse to ever get one. But I do HAVE to have a landline, no way around it. I'd also prefer to never have to deal with some of the large chain grocery stores...but we have to eat. Those are what I consider necessities. However, attending an affiliate conference that benefits ethically challenged people like Warren Jolly (or a multitude of others), is not a necessity. Not IMO anyway. Just my thoughts.

[Casinomeister]

Wow! What an dramatic meltdown (at GPWA) - affiliates at their best going for the jugular

I'm not equating the LAC conference as a CAP conference. As far as I'm concerned, even though there may be a CAP finger or two in the pie, that's not a justification for an all out boycott of the event.

The reason I am going is for my panel discussion which I feel supersedes any affiliate conflicts/dilemmas/bitch-and-moaning/rogueness etc. since it deals primarily with the players and what they want.

That's important, isn't it?

All this posturing and banner waving is secondary to player needs IMO. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. It's because of the player that affiliates are able to run a business, and this is the first time EVER that players have been invited to share what's on their minds.

I'll be there - Max will be there along with Vinylweatherman, Slotster and thelawnet. It's amazing how affiliate politics overshadow this.

[Simmo!]

But I do HAVE to have a landline, no way around it.

Good God woman! What's wrong with two cups tied to the end of a long bit of string?!

It's this whole industry...it's BUILT on hypocrisy...it's the foundation.

It's not just this industry. It's pretty much every industry that involves money changing hands. You think this industry's bad, go work in the music industry for a bit! Makes this one look like a prayer meeting in Heaven.

Wherever there is money, there will be hypocrisy and that's just human nature Pina. Can't be stopped...ain't unique...just the way it always has been and always will be.

Doesn't mean you can't change a few people along the way though. Just I think some people (not aimed at you) probably think it should change a few more than it ever will.

If I want to go to a conference and meet up with friends I will. Besides, I wanna hear what's in Slotster's mind

Bryan makes a good point: an affiliate chooses not to go so they don't be seen to be supporting CAP. They potentially miss out on hearing a talk on something which will make them a better affiliate that gives the player a better experience. Which is better? To me, it seems obvious.

[Casinomeister]

... an affiliate chooses not to go so they don't be seen to be supporting CAP. They potentially miss out on hearing a talk on something which will make them a better affiliate that gives the player a better experience. Which is better? To me, it seems obvious.

And to clear up any possible misunderstandings, the panel discussion was my idea - no one approached me to see if I'd do it.