3Dice Pretty Awful

[unhappy]

with respect you should know plenty of casino's go broke , they usually wind up in the rogue pit there not there for making huge profits

Casinos basically only go broke if players dont play there its as simple as that. A thriving casino with lots of players playing payout its as simple as that and a casino that has very little players pays very little its as simple as that on the average . Im not sure what you mean that there not there to make huge profits I would say on the contrary .Casinos are there to make huge profits.

[Jasminebed]

Those who know me from 3Dice, and those who read what I post know I'm a 3Dice player.

Almost every time there's a 3Dice thread I feel like I need to come and apologize to those who don't have the same happy experience.

Please understand that happy experience does not mean I'm ahead. It's usually my first choice for a deposit because they are so fast paying, and therefore my deposits are larger overall.

Both past two years I've been ahead at 32Red, but was largely down to two lucky hits. 32Red is a stellar act, and I love the MG games. This is not a choice for US players.

I feel that I do okay with Playtech also. Other players seem to have luck with RTG, but not me (so far, I retain some hope).

3Dice publishes a Zeitgeist, an upto date return on the slots. If you look at it, slot returns for the past few months range around 96%. There's around another 2.5% in non game RTP. That probably includes loyalty and the comps players get for bad sessions, and possibly the tournaments.

The three years I've been at this forum, never have I seen a 3Dice didn't pay me thread.

I'd love to see 3Dice's slot stable bigger. Give them time, it's grown since I joined.

I have a better time losing at 3Dice than breaking even at other places. And I'm getting tired of defending my choice of how I spend my discretionary funds. I don't criticize your picks from the CM accredited bunch.

[blonde]

First of all it's gambling, you can't win them all by no means. I play at a lot of casinos, well used to, and 3 Dice has them beat by a long shot. I have never cashed out from there yet, but give me time I will.

The customer support team actually gives a hoot about their players, and to me this is a big plus in my book.

They offer tournies for their depositing and non-depositing players as well as chat games, and other games to give the players all the chances in the world if they can't deposit.

There are some times when my play time is very short, but I just say to myself oh well I will get them next time. Now if I deposit and play over and over again and don't really win anything, then I march my happy little azz to customer support and ask them what my payout ratio is and they are more than happy to give me a comp or something for me being on that not so lucky streak.

I'm not sticking up for 3 dice by no means just giving my experience and my opinion on things. GL to you where ever you decide to play.

[Da_Gambla]

De_ Gambla, I was happy to see you back posting after a long absence, since I remembered you as a great poster/member, not a "go straight to the throat" poster. Reading this thread with your posts today makes me think I did not have a true memory of your posting. You seem disrespectful and snotty (one step further than snarky ) toward fellow Casinomeister members.

I apologize. I get busy and sometimes when I post, I just cut to the chase and it can appear snarky. Snotty works, too. That's ok. I never signed up here in 2007 to be involved in a popularity contest, and didn't come back for one. I like good discussions and better debates. I believe the outcomes of both of those situations furthers my understanding of many things, and adds to my wisdom when needed to apply to the next situation I'm faced with. I'm a student of life, and have made peace knowing I will die not ever knowing it all. At whatever capacity I am currently at, that's what I bring into that current discussion.

Go straight to the throat? I think people coming into this thread late are kind of losing where it was, versus where it is now. I'm ok with it if someone skims through 2 days of posts and labels me the bad guy, the instigator. I can take you by the hand and walk you through the actual chronological progression, but I doubt that would do much for you now.

My first response to this thread had no one's throat in my grasp. The poster I responded to seemed to indicate that losing several bonus rounds made her uncomfortable due to the fact that she had played through several hundred. I explained that the slot she was playing did not know how much she played through, or what her current balance was.

Then she said that based on that and other losing streaks she encountered, she was willing to label this casino as 'unfair' in regards to return. I stated that when you gamble, you cannot expect a return. 'Unfair' is an opinion, but in gambling forums, that term has a little more tabasco sauce on it than in most other situations. I wanted to make clear that we weren't actually crossing the line into fraud.

Then, revisiting the slot machine issue, I took exception to her saying she swears the machine was broken. She even stated:

>8 lowballs BACK TO BACK is enough for me to move
>on for a while until they fix it

I read that whole post several times over multiple hours before it caused me to respond. As each hour passed, I kept asking myself more questions, like, if I thought for a second a machine was broken, and lost even $5 on it, wouldn't I report that? Wouldn't you? Would you really just say "oh, I'll come back in the future when they've fixed it.."? What would then be the motive to embed that into a thread started by a disappointed poster?

What would have happened if Silc started a new thread that said: "3Dice unfair payouts and broken games - avoid"?

Of course she wouldn't do that... she took the cheaper route and embedded the exact same thing into someone else's thread, an inside slider right up around the chin.

I believe I responded with great patience, taking into account she might not really know what was going on (since I do not know her, this is a probable outcome). She complained about people who speak about RTP, etc., so I took the time to explain what that meant, and why it's valid when discussing these issues.

IMO, if that thread was left without a response to her, someone coming a doing a search on 3Dice to consider a deposit might read that, and think "hmm... unfair payouts. broken software. yeah, like I need those problems. onto the next candidate", and that's just simply not fair to 3Dice.

That's why I originally responded. I thought she was confused about some aspects of gaming, and it was apparent she was mad at 3Dice and wanted to hit them in the form of waving off a potential customer. I don't believe my membership here allows me to just walk away and go "oh well, 3Dice's problem now".

Her response to my response is where some definite fur was getting stuck in her throat, and she started generalizing everything in her first post. She even says (LoL):

>Not personal at all and nothing against 3Dice

HUH?!

So here we are now, except she's packed up her marbles and gone home, and that's fine. As others have come forward to contribute their experiences, no one has been made to feel their opinion wasn't welcome.

Don't know you jod. Would like to, but it won't kill me if I never do. Your opinion of me, unfortunately, cannot ever dictate how I post. I fly solo and avoid clique situations that might pressure me to perform one way or another to please the crowd. I would fail that. I have friends IRL and family, my life is blessed. Being the 'likeable' chap on an internet forum is just not that high on my list of priorities.

I will submit again, besides one post containing allegations in it, ALL of the other posts have had their say without any brow beating. There have been a few who have dropped by to tell US that our opinion of liking 3Dice isn't real welcome. That's where we're at. Don't do it, now... don't misquote me and say I'm playing victim now.. I actually like being in the defensive position. Armed with so many facts, it doesn't really take much effort to defend ones self against BS.

I have nothing against you, why would I? If you have something against me, then we will move forward with situation intact.

- Keith

[Da_Gambla]

When I first joined CM I was ill-informed and not really interested in becoming otherwise. I just jumped on every thread where a casino was being dumped on and said "Yeah they're all cheating scum". I also supported every player who had a grievance with similar fervor, without regard to the facts of the case. In my view, it was "us vs them" and that was that. I often complained about losing, and showed contempt for those who tried to explain that it had more to do with me than it did with the casino.

After several instances of being sucked in by scammers and frauds disguised as 'aggrieved players', and reading more from Bryan, Max, Simmo, and a few other senior members, I began to rethink my attitudes and make an effort to learn about the facts behind these games and operators where I was spending my cash. I learnt about things such as variance, RTP, bankroll management and game selection just to name a few. It opened up a whole new way of thinking for me [.. and the rest of it ..]

This originally started out as a PM to you. Please forgive me if you disagree with my decision to post it publicly instead. I feel sometimes things of the heart and mind are valid public testaments. And besides, you started it...

Welcome to the next level! I am always thrilled when someone stops to fix some bugs in their software, or just generally do an upgrade and re-boot! So many people live out there whole lives with just one set of programming, never to allow it to be upgraded, or even be flexible for that matter.

It's a great feeling, isn't it? You want to share that new clarity within yourself, it's so liberating. But alas, you haven't achieved super hero status, and never will, so you just go back to working towards the next level.

Doing an introspective can sometimes be as ugly as it is scary. Realizing your weaknesses, and owning them, usually causes most people to just issue the re-boot without making any changes. You faced those weaknesses. You sought knowledge. You opened your mind, but most of all, you really wanted the answers to those weaknesses. The answers are never free, they require very hard work, attention, and the ability to become a student again. Therefore, the process you went through is only available to someone who is truly honest with themselves on what they hope to achieve (and being realistic about it).

So look at you now. A sheep free of the herd.

As you are now aware of, your upgrade will place you squarely in front of more conflicts, and that is so because your mind is better equipped now to deal with those conflicts. You will not shy away or fall back on escape mechanisms. You will stand and fight where you once ran or played dead. You will stand for something even if it's not popular, because your wisdom now decides what your opinions are, not your environment or peer group. Each time you upgrade, it is easier and faster to learn, and to retain the information to the next level.

Many years ago, I stood on that cliff and looked out over the horizon. I accepted the same challenge you did, and it was intoxicating. I have never regretted accepting that challenge. Who cares what it does for your gambling, it has changed your humanity.

Your response to jod was so full of confidence. There wasn't a split second of doubt about the way you felt you wanted to respond. You have a clarity, a calmness, and a purpose that cannot be denied now. Other's attempts to push your buttons or derail your focus will be met with a solid brick wall of your determination. These are the qualities that people who rise to any occasion possess. You can relate to how calmly Captain Sullenberger landed that A320 on the Hudson river with 155 souls in his grasp. If I may quote him:

"One way of looking at this might be that for 42 years, I've been making small, regular deposits in this bank of experience: education and training. And on January 15 the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal."

Those around you IRL are lucky to know you and benefit from your persistence in better understanding your world around you, and questioning everything. Never stop doing that.

Peace,
- Keith

[KasinoKing]

How many pages?
My eyes are bleeding reading a 3Dice thread... AGAIN!
(Stopped reading after about 30 posts).

KK

[ksech]

I tried 3Dice a long time ago, found it just wasn't my cuppa tea. The chat confused me and I had problems playing some of the games (new vid card now though so they should be better).

I'm sure if I went back and gave it an honest attempt, I'd probably find I like the games. I've contemplated re-entering the online gaming world (when I can figure out how I would be able to receive winnings if I get that lucky), and I think 3Dice may be on the list of "give-it-a-go-again".

I'm angry I can't play the new games (and some of the older games) at the US facing MG casinos (has anyone figured out WHO they belong to? *sorry for the slight derail*) And the only RTG I would go back to is Intertops (but the issue of withdrawing is still lingering).

I wish the US would get their heads out of their a$$, so we can go back to playing where WE want to, instead of having to be dictated by choices of "inferior" gaming places.

I think when all is said and done (sometime in the next millinium ), even some of the accredited casinos will fall by the wayside due to some of the "unscrupulous" tactics they've enlisted to "make themsleves" better for the player/playing experience.

As hard as I try, I can't seem to get my head around all of the "technical" jargon of RTP, RNG, etc. I've tipped my head to the left and to the right and short of standing on my head, it still makes no sense to me. Reminds me of when I was in college trying to "work" through Cobol and Fortran, it didn't take no matter how I turned the page.

So, to get back on subject matter, I think players often get frustrated easier when they see deposits flushing down the toilet in super flush mode. There've been a great many threads lately, about how this casino or that casino is rigged, they're scammers, bad CSR, slow paying, etc... Very seldom is there a thread exulting/expounding on the positive aspects of a casino. It's a choice the player has to make, either you love it or you don't. No one can make the choice for you... If you don't like the game play you're getting, change to a different platform or simply don't play at all...

[johnsteed]

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Is it 'balanced' to think that once a casino/poker site makes the accredited list, that they're automatically admitted into a safe zone where they cannot be questioned for anything that could be perceived as putting them in a negative light?



Are we really pushing the envelope when we think that the 'accredited' casinos don't need to improve, that it's the rogues that need to improve? We already know that the rogues have very little desire to be good, clean, and fair, so we should continue to focus our attention on those operations? That's the way to go? Focus on rogue casinos, rogue players, and glorify the 'accredited' list. Is that what makes a 'balanced' and 'well-informed' member? Getting validated by the elite, for all of their wisdom, makes a person 'credible'?



The online casino industry - on a macro-level - is pretty much as rogue as it can be. Are there good casinos out there? Sure. But only a small percentage of them warrant a passing grade, and only a small percentage of those could be considered cream-of-the-crop.



Why am I saying what everyone already knows? Simply because I have a hard time understanding why a 'balanced'/'knowledgeable'/'highly informed' member, after years of studying the way the industry works, would act as though the players are the ones who are rogue. That a casino that makes a list, should be above criticism, is absolutely asinine.



It's easy to say that this is a 'fact' and that isn't. So, anytime a casino tells us something as 'fact', we must assume that their word is gold. That it's the absolute truth?



Have we learned nothing about the world around us? That there are so many ways to play with the numbers, and we see it all of the time with big corporations/financial institutions providing the public with 'facts' that aren't really 'facts'. But a finely tuned member can conclude that a player and their experience is nothing more than an illusion, and nothing factual? We should take an unregulated industry and all of the information that they present to the public seriously, even when legalized entities/governmental organizations in this day and age - that are being monitored - aren't being taken seriously? I have a very hard time understanding that line of thinking.



Not all of the players who oppose a list should be automatically viewed as being rogue. You can't start a process of finding out what's wrong, by starting with 'okay, something smells fishy, what did the player do wrong' and be taken as someone who's being unbiased, fair and balanced.



Going from one end of the spectrum, and going to the other one, is extreme, because there's no middle ground. Where's the grey area? Where is there room to be flexible?



Am I to assume that just because a casino/poker site is on the list, it's the best option out there? I happen to think that PokerStars and FullTilt are the best poker sites out there, they're not on the list, but I know that they are really good, so does that make me wrong and ill-informed for going there? Am I a rogue member for liking something that didn't make the cut?



Even with the casinos that are 'accredited', they're still a casino. It's beyond me why people wouldn't expect complaints, at a website which focuses on the gambling industry. In a perfect world, in the eyes of those who own and operate the industry, of course they would want players who slap money down, lose, and talk about what an awesome experience that was! That's not reality.



Casinos don't sell you on the idea that you're going to lose, and you have to accept that there's a house edge. The idea that is presented to you, is that you could get lucky and win, just like such and such did today, and she did yesterday. Fine. But how is one to feel, when they've been depositing at the same casino for months/years, and haven't made a single withdrawal? And not just because they didn't have good 'bankroll management', because in a lot of cases, people go on extended runs where they can't even buy a sizable win, and they can't even get much more than a small percentage over their starting balance. I'm sure that's happened to almost everyone at some point in time.



Did those players feel that they had an opportunity to win? Probably not. Are they going to be upset about it? Of course. But hey, they'll (CS) be quick to point out that you're sure to win soon enough. And they'll direct you to link showing who others ARE winning. Isn't it human nature to question our experience? Or are we NOT supposed to question anything, and simply take everything presented to us, by the casinos, as fact? Facts from an industry (by and large a rogue one at that), that's built on taking people's money. It goes against most people's way of thinking.



The end result is that casinos are the winners (provided that they run things correctly), a hard reality for many to accept, but they shouldn't be elevated to a point as being more sincere and truthful than the people who play at them.



Note: This post isn't about 3dice





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[DarkMage]

well I apolgoize for calling 3dices blackjack unfair

BlackJack_Classic bets: 13676 average wager: 2.50$ RTP: 98.02%

I had calculated 95.9% but I did not calculate every session(maybe 90%)

It is still lower then my play at B&M blackjack which was 99.2% last yr and I average around 98.5% at RTG when I request it once a year.

[Nate]

Johnsteed, I must commend you on the excellent post!

Service and support are a MUST in any competitve environment but it's sad that quick payouts and smiley faces are being substituted for the actual reason we gamble - To WIN sometimes (well at least).

Winners and losers, will always be there. When you deposit and lose over and over again you start to question the odds of it happening. Many of us here are seasoned players, playing for years and years. We know the probabilities of winning and losing. Do i really need to accept 4-5 months of constant deposits and losses as 'Variance'? The other side of Variance never seems to play in your favour. Players are disillusioned - When you eventually win 10% of your total deposits back and it is paid quickly, they sing praises to a Casino

Lets face it, this industry is about entertainment and winning for us... nothing better than the thrill of a great run or win. For Casinos, it's purely about PROFIT. Poor regulation and Poor returns are ignored - But TOP Service or quick payouts - Get an award from many players. Has the industry really come to this? We fight tooth and nail to 'Win' and when the Casino pays us in an acceptable time frame or puts smiley faces up when we cash out, we believe the sun is shining bright in the industry. Take a step back and a LONG hard look at your results, then smile if you are happy with them.

Im not insinuating anything against 3Dice or any other Casino here. I am merely highlighting where it seems the priorities lie with players these days. Im not a programmer and I cannot and will not state that anything is unfair.... Personal experience comes at a cost gambling online, but it never lies.

Nate