Tradition Casino and likely all Rival casinos are Rogue. All Evidence shown here.

[bb28]

No not them but there is a thread here somewhere about the old "Gold Rock" doing this and it was admitted that Rival will allow operators to adjust the betting etc if they cannot afford large cash outs. They even removed the slot totally for a few months!

Oh OK........there is probably a thread from way back when when I had a bitch session about Gold Rock removing Scary. I was pissed to say the least and they lied about it, kept telling me it would be back in a week, then another week and then........well it wasn't. Liars!

Back to the original topic......sorry for the T/J.

[NASHVEGAS]

Ignored Multiple Times By The One's Who Should Not Have-Once Again On May 18,2009

If Bryan wants I can drop a bombshell but if a software malfunction justifies a house advantage of beyond what is supposed, then I won't waste my time.

Actually in context, the optimal malfunction for the house but have an expert confirm. All documented. John lies but his lie is just stupid and incomprehensible. 2 BJ experts have shots and paraphrasing one's comment, "very compelling", 6 month ordeal but I stopped playing for 2 to 3 months in that period.

Want more cause I and others have it?

[De Beuker]

This is some really serious sh*t ofcourse, the fact that this error was known to be there for a month is just insane.
Cant wait for a Rival rep to comment on this.

Still I dont believe the slots can be altered this way.
If it would be so easy to cheat with the slots, than why do they bonusban half the world?
That makes no sense.
You should think they want to squeeze out as many deposits as possible, right?

One other thing, the error (?) was first spotted Feb. 22, and is now exposed here, on March 27.
In the mean time, has really nobody else spotted this?
I'm not at all an experienced blackjackplayer, I hardly ever play that game, but this underpaying error is pretty obvious, even for me.
Nobody here or on other forums who play BJ at Tradition?

[gloria460]

You know it's really bad that rival has to resort to these kinda things. Bonus bans for winning, bonuses with deposits that have a max cashout, high wr and sometimes impossible to complete and a max on it if you do complete, delayed payments and cs who do not have a clue.

I don't know why these casinos are still in business. Pantasia is even offering the max cashouts now. I don't think it's a money issue but a greed issue.

Pretty soon I'll be down to no casinos. RTG is gone, sloto is hanging on by a thread and MCG might pull the cord anytime now...boy am I having fun!

BTW Sam, I thought that drunk post was hilarious and thanks for bringing this to everybody's attention.

[NASHVEGAS]

Someone please explain the house edge of Rival's BJ based on the following in March 2008!


From : NASHVEGAS
To : thisisvegas
Date : 2008-03-22 14:09
Title : Re: howdy
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Hey John...just piddling.... I do think I found a serious bug though that reoccurs but not consistently>>>sometimes the split button will double down instead of split the cards and has now prolly happened 10 or so times but I just did not feel like complaining but you should look into why this occurs out of the blue as I am positive it happens but totally random and unpredictable)...good for you guys,bad for...be safe and well!,Garry


SIDENOTE:This rip-off/malfeasance which I had now discovered with John in late October 2008 precisely how and why it was occurring was finally addressed and corrected in late October 2008 by a Rival BJ update. (John initially did admit to the BJ malfeasance via a telephone conversation and PM iirc. I will confirm and prolly post.) I also PM'ed Bryan on the same night in late October 2008 as I knew from previous dealings with Rival that if Bryan did not see this Rival rip-off/malfeasance immediately (he had no Rival accounts so I did not go into detail), now that I knew how it was occurring, Rival would now immediately correct and then deny all. Guess what??? Rival did exactly as previously anticipated--->>>>corrected the malfeasance via a BJ update and of course denied the malfeasance. Thus, those that deserved compensation for doubing down on a pair of Aces could go eff themselves. Exactly what Rival did with one exception I assume as I was given hush (again "I assume") credits later that night/morning but I did not hush.(Search the forum as I "always double down on a pair of ACES", pair of Deuces so I can not resplit and possibly double down yet I see the not determinable and incorrect house advantage published everywhere.) Co-incidence that I would win Rival's largest Progressive to that date a few weeks later but not be paid as agreed ??

[bonustreak]

Ok I have made some calls today and do NOT ask me to disclose where I got this info because I will not.

I have been told that yes each white label can set their own blackjack payouts. Tradition seems to be set at 1:1 payout instead of the regular 3:2. (They are likely the only Rival brand that picked this option) Furthermore after my calls the owners of Rival software were contacted and shown this thread and as a result it was determined that Tradition may have set the payout to 1.1 which was in their rights to do so BUT it was also determined that the felts did not match up so Rival went in and disabled the 1.1, changed it to the 3:2 at Tradition and set BJ to 3:2 at all rival brands

Also since this issue brought to light the point that rules should not ever conflict with the game felts ...now ALL operators must contact Rival to make changes to rules and Rival will first verify whether any graphical changes are necessary before they allow a change.

I personally think this title is a bit off "All Rivals Rogue", not all of the casinos are rogue but let me say Tradition will NEVER be on my sites they have proven to me over and over they do some pretty shady things!!

[NASHVEGAS]

Ok I have made some calls today and do NOT ask me to disclose where I got this info because I will not.

I have been told that yes each white label can set their own blackjack payouts. Tradition seems to be set at 1:1 payout instead of the regular 3:2. (They are the ONLY Rival brand that picked this option) Furthermore after my calls the owners of Rival software were contacted and shown this thread and as a result it was determined that Tradition did set the payout to 1.1 which was in their rights to do so BUT it was also determined that the felts did not match up so Rival went in and disabled the 1.1, changed it to the 3:2
at Tradition.


Also since this issue brought to light the point that rules should not ever conflict with the game felts ...now ALL operators must contact Rival to make changes to rules and Rival will first verify whether any graphical changes are necessary before they allow a change.

I personally think this title is a bit off "All Rivals Rogue", not all of the casinos are rogue but let me say Tradition will NEVER be on my sites they have proven to me over and over they do some pretty shady things!!

So explain why Rival publishes only one H/A of .63,iirc, on its' single hand BJ. It all over affiliate sites like AKA's Beating Bonuses et al. More Rival horseshit.Phuck at 1 to 1 add ~ 2.26% for a BJ H/A of ~2.90%. Ever read any Stanford Wong, Henry Tamburin et al on this subject. Makes Grand Prive look like choir boys

[KasinoKing]

EDIT: Sam's/JHV's hand history pretty much rules out a display glitch. No question he was paid 1:1 on a genuine BJ.

Well no it doesn't actually - see below...

Looking for the hands now...sec...

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Goodness I can't believe how much I've played only during what I thought were tiny sessions at Tradition - many many many pages scrolling through but here is the first one hand I noticed [which was obscured by the instruction help box]:



Pretty freaking unbelievable that they would try to lie straight out knowing that this was sitting there available - I guess they assumed that I was a donk [not an unfair assumption at times considering my gambling] or perhaps they panicked and desperately gambled on my going "hmm ok guess I made a mistake" and played on - or something. Hell if I know - nothing about their actions since my first Live Chat really make any sense to me...including Nicolas' reaction to my worries about ethical casinos suffering unfairly purely by association.

That screenshot shows you getting a 21 on a Split Hand - that is not a BlackJack in any game I've played. 21 on a split should only pay 1:1 afaik. The games rules at tradition confirm this (now).
Could you not locate the histories of the two natural BlackJacks you posted screenshots of?

KK
Note: I tried to post this this-morning (10 or so hours ago - before Sam got banned) - but the forum went down!

[NASHVEGAS]

Well no it doesn't actually - see below...


That screenshot shows you getting a 21 on a Split Hand - that is not a BlackJack in any game I've played. 21 on a split should only pay 1:1 afaik. The games rules at tradition confirm this (now).
Could you not locate the histories of the two natural BlackJacks you posted screenshots of?

KK
Note: I tried to post this this-morning (10 or so hours ago - before Sam got banned) - but the forum went down!

The bolded and underlined above is 100% correct, you can edit out the "afaik".

[Kendra-SSC]

Hi everyone,

I can confirm that Simon Says pays out 3:2 on our Blackjack games.

Regards,
Kendra