Tradition Casino and likely all Rival casinos are Rogue. All Evidence shown here.

[spiderlegz]

Absolutely!! Screenshots from the thread below...first one is SamD, playing MH Blackjack on March 22nd. Second one is Refre/Freddy playing normal/single hand Blackjack on February 22nd. If the rep is trying to imply that only one "version" of the game was rigged....more bullshit!!

from the reps post:

the 19 BJ list provided include normal and multi hand BJ since 20th february, but do not forget that normal blackjack has been repaired about 2010-02-22, so all hands played later than 22th february have been paid correctly.

So if JHV played normal BJ after 22nd Feb and it still paid 1:1 then the rep is lying.

Didnt actually know that a casino can have so little hands played in a month, 3-4 hours play. Also calling 100$ bets in BJ huge and not knowing the probability to get a black jack shows that the skin owner is quite unexperienced and maybe a skin is the best option. Just wonder how much they could screw up if they were totally independent.

[Pinababy69]

from the reps post:

the 19 BJ list provided include normal and multi hand BJ since 20th february, but do not forget that normal blackjack has been repaired about 2010-02-22, so all hands played later than 22th february have been paid correctly.

So if JHV played normal BJ after 22nd Feb and it still paid 1:1 then the rep is lying.

Didnt actually know that a casino can have so little hands played in a month, 3-4 hours play. Also calling 100$ bets in BJ huge and not knowing the probability to get a black jack shows that the skin owner is quite unexperienced and maybe a skin is the best option. Just wonder how much they could screw up if they were totally independent.

Thank you Spider...so that's what I was missing then? Fair enough...but that makes it even worse IMO. They say they "repaired" (stupid terminology) the "normal" Blackjack on or about February 22nd...but no one even thought to check the settings on Multi Hand? Or did they check them, and just decided to leave it as is? Guess we'll never know will we? Just have to take their word for it.

The Tradition rep states that "they" (meaning Tradition) repaired the normal BJ, yet in another post stated that Rival went in and changed the settings on ALL blackjacks AFTER the initial posts by SamD on this forum.

Way too many inconsistencies for me....and another of those cases where we will just never know for sure if there was "intent" or not. I choose to err on the side of caution, and the player.

[vinylweatherman]

from the reps post:

the 19 BJ list provided include normal and multi hand BJ since 20th february, but do not forget that normal blackjack has been repaired about 2010-02-22, so all hands played later than 22th february have been paid correctly.

So if JHV played normal BJ after 22nd Feb and it still paid 1:1 then the rep is lying.

Didnt actually know that a casino can have so little hands played in a month, 3-4 hours play. Also calling 100$ bets in BJ huge and not knowing the probability to get a black jack shows that the skin owner is quite unexperienced and maybe a skin is the best option. Just wonder how much they could screw up if they were totally independent.

Not just JHV, what about the other players, did ANYONE notice this AFTER 22nd of Feb. Pity JHV got banned, otherwise he could check whether this was the case from his records.

Even if it WAS fixed on the 22nd Feb, what about the hands played BEFORE this, have they ALL been checked, or only a few?

In the Multi-hand version, we know it was NOT fixed UNTIL JHV complained, and RIVAL fixed it. How many hands of multi-hand were played in this time, and does this fit the number of Blackjacks underpayed according to Rival?

[tradition]

They say they "repaired" (stupid terminology) the "normal" Blackjack on or about February 22nd...but no one even thought to check the settings on Multi Hand?

Stop to play with my words! Do you prefer i speak in french? I'm sure not...

When Rival "repaired" the normal blajack, they should have had to check the multi hands one, for sure, but they didn't. I cannot do nothing now against this fact unfortunately.

The Tradition rep states that "they" (meaning Tradition) repaired the normal BJ, yet in another post stated that Rival went in and changed the settings on ALL blackjacks AFTER the initial posts by SamD on this forum.

I never told that someone of my personal team "repaired" BJ : in these two cases Rival made the change and when this post started i ignored that these 2 games have been repaired at different dates : i discovered it when i have had the complete hands list.

[chuchu59]

Oui Madame, parlez en francais.

[AussieDave]

Do you prefer i speak in french?

Oui Madame, parlez en francais.

Yes Madam, speak in French.

Your making a balls up of it speaking English


Cheers



Dave

[maphesto]

376 post with this one included! Tradition will never have this kind of commercial ever again.
"Tradition" is mentioned in the title, soon every one will think of Tradition when the word Rival comes up.

When new or old members look at the forum there are always same three casino names they see:

3Dice, 32Red and Tradition. (Vegas Regal is going to drop off the "hottest threads" list soon).

Solution: Change the title to "Evidence showing that Tradition cheated in BJ", in this way the word "Tradition" isn´t showed at the hottest threads without clicking or moving your mouse over it.

Back to topic!

@Tradition:

I want to know how many BJ there were in normal blackjack during feb and mars and how many played games there were during same time.

And I want the same information from the multi hand game.

Many of us think that it´s maybe too few BJ:s from the players. This is IMO worse than the original topic.

[tradition]

I want to know how many BJ there were in normal blackjack during feb and mars and how many played games there were during same time.

And I want the same information from the multi hand game.

Many of us think that it´s maybe too few BJ:s from the players. This is IMO worse than the original topic.

I don't have any possibility to find out these informations by myself but i'm going to ask this list to Rival. Not sure at all when i'll get an answer considering that Rival took 1 complete month for retrieve 19 hands... But i make the request now and we'll see :-)

[tradition]

BTW I'd like to add that this request is a lost time because it will never be an objective possibility to calculate anything...

Having a payout about 98% (example) doesn't mean that if you deposit and play $100, you could lose maximum $2. Not at all! It simply means that casino bring you the possibility to lose maximum $2, but you can lose all your money if you won and if you continued to play until to lose all your money.

So, if a player miss the bj because he doesn't know how to play efficiently, payout still stays at 98%, but player would have lost all his money without making BJ at all or just few are blackjacks. What i'm meaning is that the number of BJ realized depends on the player quality, not on payout only. Did you know that?

[mrjones]

BTW I'd like to add that this request is a lost time because it will never be an objective possibility to calculate anything...

Having a payout about 98% (example) doesn't mean that if you deposit and play $100, you could lose maximum $2. Not at all! It simply means that casino bring you the possibility to lose maximum $2, but you can lose all your money if you won and if you continued to play until to lose all your money.

So, if a player miss the bj because he doesn't know how to play efficiently, payout still stays at 98%, but player would have lost all his money without making BJ at all or just few blackjack. What i'm meaning is that the number of BJ realized depends on the player quality, not on payout only. Did you know that?

hello players are mearly pointing out the fact that over the hands played ............(FYI, in March, we have had 1,954 hands played on normal Blackjack and 965 hands played on Multi hands ). that only 19 blacks in either normal black or mutihand black is a standing joke , these figures cant be correct unless your software is so bent that players are being stitched up. i dont think anyone is complaining about 2 dollar loss on 100 spent , there pointing to hands played (blackjacks )gotten in all those hands it does not make any sense , ofcourse in time you shall no doubt lose over long periods of blackjack play , but going by your stats your going to get rinsed far quicker , you need to come up with some facts here , ive been reading this thread without comment but alot of what p[eople are telling you 100% correct , i would of thought if my casino was going down the tube i would damn well jump at rival for all the unanswered questions & demand everything from cards going from first of feb 2010 - end of march 2010 , then at least you could put up proper stats for card including how many blackjacks there was, theres little faith in rival as it is & a whole can of worms has been opened from your casinos ,its about time as your the owner to come forth & listen to what players & affils are telling you , honest answers are the way forward , but the fact still remains that your casino got caught out cheating on cards wether it was a glitch , mistake or something else , it has been pointed out that back in feb there was a problem , realy it should of been sorted then ,even if it was sorted ,one would of thought that rival or you should of at least checked all card games , but no this wasnt the case . so step up & give us all the facts before going on about payouts of 98% !