For anyone who has time on their hands and does NOT want to win a lot!

[oldtrvlagt]

So, I felt like playing Rival today. I looked at a couple of email offers (very few anymore...once you cashout you can kiss the bonuses goodbye) and saw one from Vegas Regal. 400% (it said to try the new game but was for all games). $50 max deposit and $200 max bonus. That sounded o.k. ...it'll keep me busy for awhile.....until I read the FINE PRINT. 50X WR...if I can wager 50X the WR and come out on top my feeling is I should be able to cashout...that's A LOT of work!! BUT, with that promotion you can only cashout 3 X the bonus amount....are these people insane? If I'm going to spend my time and my money why would I want such a ridiculous cap on my withdrawal? $12,500 in PLAYTHROUGH? for $600....are you kidding???

[winbig]

So, I felt like playing Rival today. I looked at a couple of email offers (very few anymore...once you cashout you can kiss the bonuses goodbye) and saw one from Vegas Regal. 400% (it said to try the new game but was for all games). $50 max deposit and $200 max bonus. That sounded o.k. ...it'll keep me busy for awhile.....until I read the FINE PRINT. 50X WR...if I can wager 50X the WR and come out on top my feeling is I should be able to cashout...that's A LOT of work!! BUT, with that promotion you can only cashout 3 X the bonus amount....are these people insane? If I'm going to spend my time and my money why would I want such a ridiculous cap on my withdrawal? $12,500 in PLAYTHROUGH? for $600....are you kidding???

That's worse than Virtual. Maybe they're under the same ownership now?

[sparkles]

Yep I got that too, that about takes the cake doesnt it, after I looked at it to see I was reading it correctly on the cashier part, I left and deleted the site.

[Nifty29]

Rival.

Great games - stupid policies.

[KasinoKing]

Rival.

Great games - stupid policies.

Could not have put it better myself.

Recently I've been looking round all the Rivals I've already joined - and I can not find one single sensible follow-on bonus at any of them. There is not one who offers a bonus as good as most MG's (Bx30 max, NOT phantom & no max cash-out)

I don't know what they are playing at. Maybe because of the USA situation they are getting so many new players they think they can get away with treating their existing members like 2nd class players...

KK

[vinylweatherman]

Could not have put it better myself.

Recently I've been looking round all the Rivals I've already joined - and I can not find one single sensible follow-on bonus at any of them. There is not one who offers a bonus as good as most MG's (Bx30 max, NOT phantom & no max cash-out)

I don't know what they are playing at. Maybe because of the USA situation they are getting so many new players they think they can get away with treating their existing members like 2nd class players...

KK

This is one of those "self fulfilling prophesies". They see a great opportunity to snare new players, but to avoid "bonus abuse" they place very harsh terms on the offers. New players, having got past the "gimme now" urge of the headline offers, read the rules in more detail, and have a look at what rewards are offered for loyalty..... and say WTF .... and move on.

Rival deal with this by imposing even MORE severe rules for new players, forgetting of course that these "new" players are being generated because of the "WTF.....move on" effect of the poor incentives offered for continued loyalty at the previous Rival casino they joined.

Eventually, this business model will collapse because all interested players will have tried all Rival casinos at least once, and many will probably been bonus banned for winning off one or more of the SUBs. Once bonus banned, these players have ZERO incentive to continue playing at ANY of the Rivals they joined, but CAN still play at a number of US Friendly RTG casinos.

Rival will get nowhere with this outside of the US, where players are pretty much free to shop around between ALL the softwares.

For established players, rewards for loyalty are far more important than the SUB, and it is poor rewards for loyalty that generate this continual movement and opening of new casino accounts. Casinos have become stuck with the notion that the world consists of 90% "bonus abusers" and 10% "players", and the "proof" is the astonishingly low figures for accounts still in use for years after creation.
They would be better off marketing a modest SUB, but having a CLEARLY DEFINED rewards progtam for loyal players. I have visited so many casino sites with pages of information on the various sign up offers, but been unable to find ANYTHING about what might be on offer for loyal players. There are a small number of exceptions, such as Jackpot Factory, where it is possible to see regular promotions on the websites. One of the reasons I joined JF was because I spotted that they were running scoreboard based promos as was Casino Action at the time, but with 10x the prize money! This gave me not only an incentive to join and mess around with the SUB, but to continue playing the scoreboard promotions, becoming VIP quickly, and getting even more rewards.

[bernynhel]

I think Slotocash is the only one who still offers some 13 or 15 x (deposits plus bonuses, so yeah, 30x still) WRs w/no max cash out. Still high but I hit $800+ on Chicken Little on a 75 cent bet and had a 50x WR on a 150% bonus on a deposit of $25 or $50 and easily cashed out $400 after betting big time stupid trying to hit "the BIG one".

As long as there's no max on the withdrawal, I usually take those bonuses with the idea of getting lucky on a small deposit - which is the real thrill - though a long shot but then the WR doesn't matter if ya hit something substantial.

FYI-On another, more ass-holey note: That CS'r at Cool Cat telephone solicited me at 8 effen AM this morning with a stupid promo. If you're like me, you've probably got accounts at a gang a casinos from sign-up free chip offers. So I asked this a-hole, "When's the last time I deposited at Cool Cat?" So he says, "You opened an account-" I cut him off, "Yeah that's right - NEVER, d**khead! Cuz you're A BLACKLISTED CASINO GROUP on the ROGUE CASINOS list at CASINOMEISTER-DOT-COM, MF'r, and have been ever since about the 3rd MINUTE YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS!!! At exactly what TIME did you THINK I was born YESTERDAY???" Click!

I'm emailing all these casinos like that requesting my account be closed.

[vinylweatherman]

I think Slotocash is the only one who still offers some 13 or 15 x (deposits plus bonuses, so yeah, 30x still) WRs w/no max cash out. Still high but I hit $800+ on Chicken Little on a 75 cent bet and had a 50x WR on a 150% bonus on a deposit of $25 or $50 and easily cashed out $400 after betting big time stupid trying to hit "the BIG one".

As long as there's no max on the withdrawal, I usually take those bonuses with the idea of getting lucky on a small deposit - which is the real thrill - though a long shot but then the WR doesn't matter if ya hit something substantial.

FYI-On another, more ass-holey note: That CS'r at Cool Cat telephone solicited me at 8 effen AM this morning with a stupid promo. If you're like me, you've probably got accounts at a gang a casinos from sign-up free chip offers. So I asked this a-hole, "When's the last time I deposited at Cool Cat?" So he says, "You opened an account-" I cut him off, "Yeah that's right - NEVER, d**khead! Cuz you're A BLACKLISTED CASINO GROUP on the ROGUE CASINOS list at CASINOMEISTER-DOT-COM, MF'r, and have been ever since about the 3rd MINUTE YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS!!! At exactly what TIME did you THINK I was born YESTERDAY???" Click!

I'm emailing all these casinos like that requesting my account be closed.

This won't stop them - they still have your number. It shows they are suffering if they are resorting to such long shots to attract deposits.

[bernynhel]

This won't stop them - they still have your number. It shows they are suffering if they are resorting to such long shots to attract deposits.

Yeah but NEXT time I might not be so POLITE! And to define telephoning prospects who played a free chip in 2006 then uninstalled the software and haven't been back since a "long shot" is a little harsh don't ya think? "Pipedream", maybe.

[winbig]

Yeah but NEXT time I might not be so POLITE! And to define telephoning prospects who played a free chip in 2006 then uninstalled the software and haven't been back since a "long shot" is a little harsh don't ya think? "Pipedream", maybe.

Tell them that you'll make a deposit, but only under the condition that they know that immediately after your play you are going to contact the DoJ and send them screenshots, bank statements, etc, showing your deposits....I bet they back off, then