Bodog Blackjack Random or Rigged?

[SKUNX]

TO QUOTE PHYNQSTER /Skunk-- The two of us have watched players playing on line for large wagers at the same time. We have seen one player loose his entire bankroll, while another player playing at the same time beat us for over 20k. Over the outcome at the end of the month and millions of hands have been played, the win % /house edge is always fractionally the same.[/QUOTE]

Hey Phynqster hope all is well , I do agree we have both sat down and watched guys take us for a ride and some bust in minutes but you know that RTG payouts can be changed I do know for a fact that not only in switching the number of decks ( actually in a meeting with the CEO of RTG he instructed is to set the decks at 6 , 1 or 255 = infinte in the software)
but not only that they ASK YOU which games you want to be able to be the most easily beatble games so you may market your casino on that note.

PS. For a poster that Im not gonna bother to check his name I have worked for the largest RTG groups for years now and have also sat side by side with Phynqster we or myself have nothing to prove , in fact you know what?
This is industry is going nowere and it doesnt take a genius to see it im here watching everybody post all day long and just sit back and recall the days when players couldnt even chargeback because they didnt even know how .. the gold old days when PrePaid ATM was what Neteller was one year ago today.

Lets face it .. bonuses suck now , payouts are a hassle and the US gvt are a bnuch of vandals of the human rights.. hey everything has an end and I can see one soon.

[phynqster]

"but not only that they ASK YOU which games you want to be able to be the most easily beatble games so you may market your casino on that note."

Sorry guy, I agree with most of what you say about the industry, but this statement is something I have never seen or been privie to. I have the CEO on my instant messenger and have spoken with him as guys have been winning over 5 and 6 figuries and he could not do anything to stop the run. Yes we would knock the player off line for a few minutes or change the number of decks, but we could not change the edge.

I do have a theroy though, if the house edge is set to say 2%, in hands won /loss not money won. And you have very good players playing optimal stratagy playing 1 dollar a hand, and loosing at only a 1% rate,and playing many hands. Than you have a player who is playing 1k per hand he may be loosing at a 4% rate to even out the total house EV to the 2%.
So it would go to figure a player winning 25k in a short period of time the rest of the casino will be loosing at a great clip till the % get back to normal.

[lojo]

Sure, that's prolly it. Might as well change the RTG motto to: Play at RTG where we rip off the other guy and pass the savings on to you.

[gobucs]

Hey Happy, I agree! To reshuffle after every hand should be a good thing. That's one aspect of my concerns. For the dealer to routinely win 10+ hands in a row at least once a night when the dealer reshuffles the cards after every hand, makes it even harder to believe. I've contacted The Wiz (no response)

Pokeraddict, In fact I have given back the 25K, twice over, but that's not what I'm complaining about. In the history of this thread I've never mentioned how much I've lost. What my concerns pertain to are the patterns that shouldn't exist in a random world, and unbelievable, yet common number of hands the house wins in a row, and the obvious delay in the turn cards. It has felt for sometime now, exactly as Happy described. I.e. "someone is controlling the session". This is not about a bad session, but about a six month streak of house dominance, where virtually every decision I make is wrong, and the miracle suck-out is common place for the dealer. The problem is not that I lost, but that I lost under questionable circumstances, and I have this burning feeling that I've been cheated.

Can anyone tell me what percentage of hands I should win, playing optimum strategy. I hear a lot about a 2% house advantage, but when you factor in BJ, splits, doubles, etc. How do you know how many hands you should win, say out of a thousand hands, or ten thousand hands, whatever. I've found that on average, during my Bodog experience, the house has enjoyed a 13% won/loss advantage. Would that be considered normal? I know what I should do and when in terms of playing the game, but don't have a good grasp on what it really means to say 2% house advantage.

It sounds to me like the guys who have worked for these RTG casinos are saying in no uncertain terms that the operator has the ability to manipulate the software. This is the answer to my original question. Maybe manipulation isn't the proper term, maybe cheating is the term that truly describes what we're talking about here.

But the truth is, nobody has come forward to say "yeah I played blackjack on Bodog, and had the same thing happen to me". Nobody has said anything about these undeniable patterns that I've described or even commented on the dealer winning so many hands in a row. I posted my last 50 hands in which I won 11 and stated that this was a very common occurence, and I didn't even get a "WOW! that's crazy! Maybe it's just crazy to me. But if this is common for online casinos, I think I've had my fill.

[kakata]

for the same reason I no longer play bj at Bodog.

[SKUNX]

Phynqster / Listen we are all in the business to make money either as a player or as a casino rep , and the house always win thats all I can say.

Some can say they beat the house .. but like a close family friend said once " the house doesnt beat the player it gives him the oppurtunity to beat himself "

This is why I have a job and its a good one I cant complaint.

I dont play at Bodog honestly because I just cant seem to beat them and I do not feel comfortable depositing there i feel like im giving my money away .

You know back in the day when some of my relatives in NY ran a brick op in Astoria they would let some suckers win cause the best thing that can happen to any of us that work in the industry is when a small player wins you can turn a $10 bettor into a $1000 degenarate just by giving a little and people beware because thats what I do and im damn good at it !!!!

[phynqster]

You made me laugh out loud at that post. You are 100% right. That is why the high bonus casinos work, they make a 10.00 per hand player into a 100.00 per hand player because of the big bonus.

My favorite part of on line gaming is everyone plays till they cash out or loose their money. I have only seen a very small % that leave the money in their account till they hit certain limits.

Remember I do not play or manage anymore, I just enjoy observing

[casinocide]

You know back in the day when some of my relatives in NY ran a brick op in Astoria they would let some suckers win cause the best thing that can happen to any of us that work in the industry is when a small player wins you can turn a $10 bettor into a $1000 degenarate just by giving a little and people beware because thats what I do and im damn good at it !!!!

What a wonderfully principled piece of self adulation that is. Very accurate too, in my estimation. How many people here, especially those directly involved in the industry on the supply side, agree with this? How about you CM? Is this type of statement representative of all the folks who run web casinos and affiliate sites? If not, why don't you all explain to me how your philosophy materially differs from that above mentioned. Try not to get too euphamistic either. A "quaint little two story in need of some good ole T.L.C" is one way to describe a Woodward Ave crack house, but it ain't gonna fool the locals.

[liquidsoap]

kasinoking, the other day, brought up the homophone annoyance of confusing loser/looser, and i have to say that confusing accept/except is a much more massive mistake (like my little alliteration?). they are almost opposites; accept means to welcome or embrace, where except means to leave out or exclude.

so just except it, your a looser man i kill me sometimes

Everyone makes mistakes, people are not writing an essay.
Besides, its easier to read mistakes like accept/except and loser/looser then it is to read people who do not use capital letters. I used to type like that until I learned how unreadable it actually was.

tencard & thetic: using lowercase and committing spelling errors are a speed issue

Sorry I did not realize it took that long to hit shift.


On a side note, I did fairly well at bodogs blackjack.

[gobucs]

When I asked Bodog for the 1000th time about any recent tests done on their software to assure fairness, they finally admitted that there had not been any testing since 2005! When I asked how that could be possible, they disabled my account. Probably did me a favor, but it seemed like customer service was great until I started asking questions.
Is this a lawless industry or what? In a multi-billion dollar industry that hinges on software that could easily be manipulated by people and/or computers located overseas; is there no protection for the player? Am I helpless because I'm in the US? Do these cheaters answer to noone?
So can anyone tell me where a US player can find a fair game of Blackjack online? I love the game, but I'm starting to think I'll never find a fair game online.