Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers

**vincenski** · 13th March 2007, 08:21 PM

Just 1 question: I've posted earlier with this problem, and 200 euros confiscated. Should i contact FL represantative on CM first (i did on email) or can i just post a PAB? Because I'm kind of pissed about this problem

**winbig** · 13th March 2007, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by vincenski

Just 1 question: I've posted earlier with this problem, and 200 euros confiscated. Should i contact FL represantative on CM first (i did on email) or can i just post a PAB? Because I'm kind of pissed about this problem

I'd PAB...it's obvious they're not going to change their stance on this issue.

**cyprean** · 13th March 2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by winbig

Similarly, placing all your money on one single bet is also highly unlikely for any serious gambler

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If you ask me, that is the EXACT definition of a gambler

I've been gambling for over 14 years, and I can't count the number of times I have placed all of my money on a single hand of blackjack - online OR off.

Seriously though, If FL will not pay these players their winnings, they need to be taken back off the accredited list.

If they want to lock said accounts AFTER paying, then fine.

Agree, agree and agree.

Fortune Lounge is not making their point very clear - if a player players bets the minimun on red then that is not legit gamgling in Fortune Lounges mind. However if the player bets ALL of his balance in one hand then that is not gambling either. Fortune Lounge seems to have no case here, they are just trying find an poor excuse for the lock ups.

So far we haven't seen a case where a player has actually frauded the casino . All the stories here have included winning with a bonus, which is not in my mind fraud if the group actively promotes the bonuses.

Like I said earlier I believe that Fortune Lounge should pay all those real players who won with a bonus. If they want to ban them afterwards, go for it. Fraudsters (if there were even any) should not be paid.

In any case this has changed my opinion of the Fortune Lounge group. I used to think that they could be trusted to handle things fairly. This seems not to be the case anymore. Their security department has gone too far.

**Casinomeister** · 13th March 2007, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by vincenski

Just 1 question: I've posted earlier with this problem, and 200 euros confiscated. Should i contact FL represantative on CM first (i did on email) or can i just post a PAB? Because I'm kind of pissed about this problem

The FL rep told me today that he will no longer be participating in the forum. If you want to contact their help desk, you can do so here: support@casinodesk.com

PAB here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/problems.php

and contact eCOGRA here:
http://www.ecogra.com/dispute.aspx?Page=3&OP=P

**casinocide** · 13th March 2007, 10:13 PM

Well it certainly looks like a number of people have been completely railed by this unscrupulous group and their half baked, improvised excuses to commit grand larceny. As far as I'm concerned when a casino steals money from you and you haven't done anything fraudulent, then you have a right to get that money back. It's not murder if you accidently kill a crack head who just stuck a gun in your side and told you to give him all of your money.

This whole thread is completley dispicable and IMO totally representative of how this depraved, largely worthless industry views its societal role and the contemptuous view it holds towards its customers.

I've personally never had a problem with FL and actually thought they were one of the better groups on the internet. Of course even a docile lion is still a predator. You would be on guard leaving your children with a known child rapist no matter how nice and civil he seemed so you should also be on alert leaving your money with FL or any other web casino with very few exceptions.

Why PAB? For all of you legitimate players who just got ripped by these sleaze-bags-by-nature why don't you check your mail in the next couple days. You should be recieving a blank check with Selborne LTD written at the top. If some drug fiend street thug had a gun to my side, I would do some shooting of my own.

**vincenski** · 13th March 2007, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

The FL rep told me today that he will no longer be participating in the forum. If you want to contact their help desk, you can do so here: support@casinodesk.com

PAB here:
http://www.casinomeister.com/problems.php

and contact eCOGRA here:
http://www.ecogra.com/dispute.aspx?Page=3&OP=P

Ok thanks

Already contected casinodesk yesterday and they mailed me that they close my account and dont return even my deposit, so thats gonna be a PAB

(sorry for the post overflow, just wanted to know if a PAB was right! )

**BBKPoker** · 13th March 2007, 10:30 PM

What is even more unacceptable (as if stealing money from players who play within the bonus terms and conditions wasn't bad enough) is that their term states specifically that ALL monies, INCLUDING purchases are forfeit to the casino. In other words, if they make a subjective decision that they do not like the way you play their bonuses and regardless of whether your bonus play is in line with their terms and conditions, they will not only NOT give you your winnings, but they'll keep your deposit too.

I mean come on...................

**NextToYou** · 13th March 2007, 10:43 PM

ROGUE, plz.

**Casinomeister** · 13th March 2007, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by casinocide

Well it certainly looks like a number of people have been completely railed by this unscrupulous group and their half baked, improvised excuses to commit grand larceny. As far as I'm concerned when a casino steals money from you and you haven't done anything fraudulent, then you have a right to get that money back. It's not murder if you accidently kill a crack head who just stuck a gun in your side and told you to give him all of your money.

This whole thread is completley dispicable and IMO totally representative of how this depraved, largely worthless industry views its societal role and the contemptuous view it holds towards its customers.

I've personally never had a problem with FL and actually thought they were one of the better groups on the internet. Of course even a docile lion is still a predator. You would be on guard leaving your children with a known child rapist no matter how nice and civil he seemed so you should also be on alert leaving your money with FL or any other web casino with very few exceptions.

Why PAB? For all of you legitimate players who just got ripped by these sleaze-bags-by-nature why don't you check your mail in the next couple days. You should be recieving a blank check with Selborne LTD written at the top. If some drug fiend street thug had a gun to my side, I would do some shooting of my own.

Let's chill out for a bit, okay? You're making some bizarre analogies that don't make much sense. It seems that FL has let themselves become vulnerable to players that they don't want, and they have taken the initiative to ban these players. It's within their right to do so. The problem is specifically how to deal with these players' winnings.

If any player is going to complain in the forum, then they should PAB as well so we can get a sense on how much fraudulent activity occurred. I believe that there were accusations of multiple accounts, false ID etc. These players will be identified, and if they are members of this forum they will be booted.

Remember, this isn't a free-for-all ho-down. We're here to try and solve a problem or to set things straight. Analogies to crack heads, shooting people, and child rapists have no place here.

**powerball** · 13th March 2007, 11:09 PM

As I stated before, if it is a problem with ID's I can take a picture of myself infront of the housenumber I live in holding my ID. Is that good enough or is it still fraudlent?

When do you reckon we get some kind of answer to our PAB Casinomeister? Don't wanna rush you, I would just like to have an estimate