Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers

[AudiManinBoro]

heh hey at least you were in a position to win at royal vegas. Im a new member there, made a few deposits, received a few bonuses, lost out big time on every slot i played and can count on one hand the bonuses that came out after several deposits, it doesnt play anywhere near as good as some of my other Mg casinos but hey im probably just unlucky. first time ive heard of anyone complaining about locked out casinso though, from reputation alone, this casino group is sterling!

[lojo]

24. Irregular playing patterns will be reviewed before withdrawals are processed. Equal, or hedge betting shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. The Casino reserves the right to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet play-through requirements.

Is this still a FU clause? Was it always there and I missed it? Got this from VegasPalms.

[pangloss]

Originally Posted by lojo

24. Irregular playing patterns will be reviewed before withdrawals are processed. Equal, or hedge betting shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. The Casino reserves the right to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet play-through requirements.

Is this still a FU clause? Was it always there and I missed it? Got this from VegasPalms.

Anyone can answer, even Fortune Lounge representatives:

What is "irregular play"?

What is "equal betting"?

What is "hedge betting"?

If the answers aren't immediately obvious then ..........well in truth we all know it is the same old bullshxt from these pirates.


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[cyprean]

Originally Posted by pangloss

Anyone can answer, even Fortune Lounge representatives:

What is "irregular play"?

What is "equal betting"?

What is "hedge betting"?

If the answers aren't immediately obvious then ..........well in truth we all know it is the same old bullshxt from these pirates.


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I would like to know as well. They surely seem to have the FU clause in use.

I believe that the safest way to avoid "equal betting", "irregular play" and "hedge betting" is to avoid their casino in the first place. I thought "regular play" was a bad thing as "over 4000 players played EXACTLY the same way" but now "irregular play" is on the FU clause as well.

[vinylweatherman]

It's still and FU clause because it is way too open for the casino to interpret.
It is better than nothing, but it still only defines two kinds of play patterns, and they are not clearly defined either.

Hedge betting is probably the clearest, being placing a bet on all, or damn near all, possible outcomes such that all variance in a game is eliminated.
An illustration of this would be placing bets on both red and Black at French Roulette, and engaging autoplay for the number of spins required to clear the WR, and then withdrawing.

Equal betting is not clear. Again they could be referring to the above red/black strategy, but "Equal betting" can also be playing a large number of spins on a slot all with the same bet, or hands of Blackjack, table poker, VP, scratchcard. This is so wide a definition they could use this to void paying very large numbers of players they "don't like".

As to other irregular patterns, well, EVERYBODY plays an "irregular" pattern, surely that is what casinos want; us to be playing as individuals for entertainment, and not part of a bonus whoring group, or players club.
Where they have large numbers of players who all play pretty much the same, i.e, a REGULAR pattern of play, they can then be accused of "fraud", or being part of a group or syndicate.

If this is such a problem, why does MG not prevent such hedge betting through the software, they have done at the Bacarrat table, so why not with the other games. (Just try the player & banker hedge at any MG Bacarrat game - you just can't do it!)

[lojo]

The whole idea is a bit crazy. They've approved my craps strategy as 'pure', still waiting on a response to my roulette methods. (I use over 70% coverage)

I really don't see, in the long run, how any roulette play could be acceptable or unacceptable (except as part of a larger bonus strategy). If I bet black once aren't my odds the same as betting 17 thirtyfive times? If I put one dollar on a number, or 35 dollars on a color... wtf? it's the same thing over time isn't it? (unless of course I don't have at least 35x35 (or $1225) to play with.

A high risk bet is a high risk bet, and a grinding bet is a grinding bet. I guess they could be used together, but that seems to be clearly termed against via 'even money' betting.

I'll probably start another thread for this after I get a response on my roulette query. But I haven't completely decided whether to take the 400% bonus or not. It doesn't convert to real cash in ten dollar increments: you have to wager the whole bonus 30x before cashing out or you forfeit any winnings. Not sure I like that.

[lojo]

I guess I won't be starting another thread. I hit an impasse so I'll just wrap it up here.

Here's how it went: I asked for clarification of 30x playthrough of bonus as there is a caveat on the 200 and 400% where it doesn't actually credit to cash in increments: if you withdraw before 30x bonus you lose all but initial purchase.
Also after reading the new hedge term I asked for clarification and explained my betting styles on craps and roulette. A rep got back to me saying my craps style was fine - gave me a guest account and password, and asked me to log in, play a few a examples of roulette, then contact him and he'd get back.

Got three replies from other CSR and none of them addressed the roulette 'trial' directly. Attn: "Dude" had no affect, so to heck with it.

Just in case anyone wondered, my roulette play is: Heavy on 17, heavy on second 12, heavy on middle line, heavy on black. Max on all splits and neighbors of 17. Coverage 70%+ it's not an all or nothing proposition because (if lucky) you get enough partial pays to hit the big one(s).

If CS would have been more responsive, not only would I have used the rare bonus, but could have shown the 'average' player that there is nothing to fear as long as you communicate. Oh well.

Agreed; if the communication isn't there, the covering term could still be an FU clause. I still trust FL, but I won't be playing any roulette with a bonus.

[lojo]

Looking forward to this thread closed, and a fortune lounge rep coming back on board. Prolly not in my tenure as a dysfunctionalist.

I think I might just quit folks, most ya just don't get it.
I tried.

seventeen, think it would have been differn==================

[pangloss]

Originally Posted by lojo

Looking forward to this thread closed, and a fortune lounge rep coming back on board. Prolly not in my tenure as a dysfunctionalist.

I think I might just quit folks, most ya just don't get it.
I tried.

Have another beer.


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[lojo]

Originally Posted by pangloss

Have another beer.


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I think I'll have another fifty beers bra