Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers

**powerball** · 5th April 2007, 04:58 AM

vinylweatherman and others: As I wrote in my previous post, I complained to eCOGRA and I have been paid in full (winnings included) by Fortune Lounge. All others should complain to eCOGRA aswell and you wil probably get paid too..

**pangloss** · 5th April 2007, 05:47 AM

Ecogra have obliged FL to pay players every last cent overdue.

This has been a most disgraceful episode of online-gaming history and one players will not forget in a hurry.

FL must now publically front up and issue an unreserved statement of contrition and promise never again to steal players deposits and winnings.

In the abscence of such an apology players will know where they stand with respect to this rogue of all rogues.

As to the affiliates posting statements of FL support within this thread .........well you damn better hang your head in shame. We all knew from the very start the position adopted by FL yet all we heard from you was crap about "player fraud" and "there's more to this". You were weak and your support for players was weak. We know where you stand.

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**lojo** · 6th April 2007, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by pangloss

Ecogra have obliged FL to pay players every last cent overdue.

This has been a most disgraceful episode of online-gaming history and one players will not forget in a hurry.

FL must now publically front up and issue an unreserved statement of contrition and promise never again to steal players deposits and winnings.

In the abscence of such an apology players will know where they stand with respect to this rogue of all rogues.

As to the affiliates posting statements of FL support within this thread .........well you damn better hang your head in shame. We all knew from the very start the position adopted by FL yet all we heard from you was crap about "player fraud" and "there's more to this". You were weak and your support for players was weak. We know where you stand.

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I've only seen one affiliate post here, and her posts were level headed and sensible.

This thing is not over. I haven't eaten my words yet either.

If I remember you right from previous posts; you think all casinos are rigged, you think winning screenshots are evil or something, and... what else... hmm, don't remember. If I have you mixed up with someone else, I'll apologize.

So far, I'm standing by what I've said in this thread until shown otherwise.

btw, I'm not an affiliate.

**halfday** · 6th April 2007, 04:36 AM

They were not (in my opinion) level headed and sensible comments made by the affiliate. They were comments rushing to the aide of the casinos and not actually reading the thread and dismissing the testimony of the players. It was total disregard to the complaints and it was dismissive and blame was placed on the players.

**lojo** · 6th April 2007, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by halfday

They were not (in my opinion) level headed and sensible comments made by the affiliate. They were comments rushing to the aide of the casinos and not actually reading the thread and dismissing the testimony of the players. It was total disregard to the complaints and it was dismissive and blame was placed on the players.

Dominique said...

I have just read this whole thread for the first time. It's kind of interesting to read a volatile thread in it's entirety, instead of feeding off an individual post that one may or may not agree with, one ends up with an overall impression. I need to do it like that more often...

One thing that is stated repeatedly and that I totally agree with is that casinos really should reward repeat players generously instead of throwing large bonuses at new players.

Other than that, I get the distinct impression that there was a ring of players communally defrauding the casino and the casino decided to do some house cleaning. In that process, some innocents got caught up and had their accounts closed either because they engaged in similair play or because they fit some other pattern that was singled out.

In the brick and mortar world it's called "profiling". It's generally bad practice but then the casinos have no way to actually meet with you. All they have is behavior patterns to compare.

Fraudulent player syndicates hurt everyone, but most of all they hurt other players.

Because of them innocent players get caught in the net when the necessary house cleaning takes place.

Because of them we have ridiculous wagering requirements.

Because of them we have T&Cs that take a lawyer to be understood, singling out this game, that game and the other and attaching special requirements to it.

Fraud syndicates need to be outed - for the player's sake if nothing else. It is unfortunate if the investigation gets messy, so now we need to sift through it and clean it up.

Pitch your PABs.

Re. the affiliate sector: while we work in silence as usual, we are definitely also pursuing this through our channels.

This industry is largely unregulated, and we all need to self police. IMO that's what Casinomeister is all about, so let's sort it out.

Seems level headed and sensible to me. You may not agree with her opinion.... Now, several of my comments here could be taken as not level headed nor sensible and they certainly aren't mainstream - could even be naive - but we haven't seen the end of it, and we don't know yet whether they are paying some people because of a ruling or not. And before it's over I might have to eat my words, and I will if need be

**halfday** · 6th April 2007, 07:20 AM

Please forgive me. I had my people mixed up. That was level headed and I apologize for the last post.

**lojo** · 6th April 2007, 07:49 AM

Thanks, I needed a smile. Really.

**gamerkip** · 7th April 2007, 02:56 AM

I don't like the way FL reacted on this topic and I don't like the way they responded too my emails...

I sended my complains to eCOGRA 36 hours ago. Does somebody know when I will receive some information from them?

**lojo** · 10th April 2007, 09:09 AM

I've seen the light in another thread.

I still absolutely trust the process, but maybe I didn't understand it before, and maybe it's changing with the times.

And the fool I am, I still expect Fortune Lounge to do the right thing. We here are not privy to the details. We do not know the level of fraud nor the dollar amounts involved.

All along I have expecting this to be settled by divisions. Outright fraudsters would be identified and disallowed gaming across the industry. Syndicate players would be banned individually within the casino group (with this info shared among the platform) newbies who thought they were doing an okay thing (as promoted by bonus info sites), and arguably were, would get some compensation for their troubles, and the average Joe would get treated royally for his trouble.

That's not a compromise in my opinion, it's the right thing to do.

Where does the 'average' advantage player fit into that? Fortune Lounge has to take some chances between the average joe and the newbie and eat their losses. Period.

Settle up and let the game go on!!!

**lojo** · 10th April 2007, 09:44 AM

Over xxxx players took part in the promotion, over and above the xx who were erroneously excluded. The erroneous exclusion had little or no effect on the overall profitability of the promotion. xx does measure the net Dollar return of all promotions, but more important a measure of success is by reference to the ability of all promotions to secure the ongoing patronage of regular and valued players. This promotion, even after the correction of the erroneous exclusion of the xxx, remains profitable on a Dollar value basis, and certainly succeeded in keeping over xxxx other players very happy and loyal to xxx.