Locked Account at Royal Vegas & Vegas Towers

**NextToYou** · 23rd March 2007, 12:25 PM

Please start playing poker instead of casinos lojo, I like your attitude.

**lojo** · 23rd March 2007, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by NextToYou

Please start playing poker instead of casinos lojo, I like your attitude.

Ahhh, ya just say that cuz you wanna kick my butt at the game?

**halfday** · 23rd March 2007, 08:37 PM

Casinomeister,

I just got your news letter and read it right away (ofcourse). I have to make a point here if I may please:

Now several months ago, eCOGRA conducted a survey that indicated that about 40% of online gamblers visit message boards. I would feel safe to say that players who are bonus savvy frequent message boards more often. But let's keep this figure at 40%. 40% of 4000 accounts is 1600. So realistically speaking, I should have a significant peak in traffic from these 1600 or more players coming to Casinomeister to bitch and moan. Looking over my stats for both the forum and the main site, it's virtually unchanged. There is no indicator that activity has increased except for a slight increase of new forum members, many of whom began participating in a thread that is concerned with this issue.

It was alluded to earlier but this is not exactly logical. The reason is because not all of those 4000 accounts that were locked had pending payouts. I for example had all my accounts closed but had no pending cashouts so I am not going to waste the time to PAB or hit Ecogra because there is no purpose as I wont ever play at FL again. There were other posts in this thread indicating the same thing. I think not all of those 4000 accounts are aware of your fine and outstanding site either. On other message boards I know of people who have filed Ecogra disputes but not PAB also.
Just wanted to give some reasons that you are not flooded right now.
I have one more question also. Will Fortune lounge be Rogued for this? I understand that my opinion means very little compared to yours but isn't this exactly the type of action that gets casinos rogued?

**Vesuvio** · 23rd March 2007, 09:56 PM

Shouldn't it be 4000 accounts / 8 FL casinos = about 500 players (it might be that FL claimed 4000 players - I couldn't find it when I skimmed back through the thread)

So what the hell happened to Fortune Lounge? Well, they got nailed pretty hard by a bunch of bonus players who found that they could play certain games a certain way - and they made a killing.

I think that's a misrepresentation of what happened. Players have been taking advantage of FL's bonus offers for years, and the way the bonus has worked recently has been nothing special - if anything, it's much less attractive than before and the amount of "bonus abuse" is probably down.

The real story here is why FL have become desperate enough now to act like rogues. It could simply be greed, but probably it's down to lost income from US players. Bonus players have been tolerated as the advertising value of bonuses drew in enough "recreational" players to make any losses to other players almost irrelevant (hence a certain recklessness on the part of the casinos). It'll be interesting to see how many reputable casinos we'll be left with if the US aren't let back in.

Anyway, I'm glad the newsletter stands up strongly for casinos abiding by their own terms and not falling back on "anything goes" clauses.

**GOCC** · 23rd March 2007, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by halfday

Casinomeister,

I just got your news letter and read it right away (ofcourse). I have to make a point here if I may please:

It was alluded to earlier but this is not exactly logical. The reason is because not all of those 4000 accounts that were locked had pending payouts. I for example had all my accounts closed but had no pending cashouts so I am not going to waste the time to PAB or hit Ecogra because there is no purpose as I wont ever play at FL again. There were other posts in this thread indicating the same thing. I think not all of those 4000 accounts are aware of your fine and outstanding site either. On other message boards I know of people who have filed Ecogra disputes but not PAB also.
Just wanted to give some reasons that you are not flooded right now.
I have one more question also. Will Fortune lounge be Rogued for this? I understand that my opinion means very little compared to yours but isn't this exactly the type of action that gets casinos rogued?

Same here

I even had an account locked at Thundeluck that always said they were nothing to do with FL but just used the same software

**BruceW47** · 25th March 2007, 11:40 PM

Mr. Casinomeister... did you receive the private message I sent to you a few days ago?

**powerball** · 26th March 2007, 01:43 AM

Casinomeister: Have you heard anything new from the Casino? Any new information? Any prospects of being paid?

**stanny** · 26th March 2007, 03:08 AM

Yeah at this point I'll be just happy getting my deposit back.

**Casinomeister** · 26th March 2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by halfday

....The reason is because not all of those 4000 accounts that were locked had pending payouts

I'm going by intel I have from FL and I'm not divulging all the numbers quite yet. But they are fairly accurate. There is a substantial amount of player fraud involved; a lot of this is combined with bonus whoring. Nonetheless, when crisis like this occur, the traffic tends to peak. I can go back several years and pinpoint when severe casino problems have hit the forum. It's a natural occurrence like the weather. And the severity of this issue, I would consider on a scale of 1-10 an eight, so there should have been a storm of activity.

To be honest with you, traffic was relatively unchanged during the entire time. There was no peak. Don't you find that odd? I do - it's extremely odd.

Also, considering the numbers, there was a low turn-out for PABs - and 1/4 of these were fraudulent, and a few of the others have been resolved.

Sure not everyone knows about this site - but I would guess that most players who patronize the FL casinos read the FL casinos' website and can see the there is an eCOGRA seal that is hyperlinked to eCOGRA and their dispute resolution page. Logically thinking, eCOGRA should have been swamped with complaints. I don't think this has happened.

So what we are dealing with is a conglomeration of player fraud and naughty bonus "abusers" on a massive scale. I'm still waiting for the smoke to clear to make heads or tails out of this. It's not over yet.