Wager21 is a cheating casino group

[thelawnet]

Tucked away on their site:

http://www.ladydream.com/help/helpqu...000000000003be

Do the Free games payout the same as real games?


Our Free Games are programmed for FUN and give higher payouts.

Not good.

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/p...oldbetting.php

[aka23]

It's been my experience that Wager21 Pai Gow and Video Poker both do not follow the expected distribution of random cards. Some screen shots I took earlier of matching Pai Gow hands are at http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...hlight=wager21
. In contrast, real mode Baccarat does seem fair in my opinion.

[pangloss]

Tucked away on their site:

http://www.ladydream.com/help/helpqu...000000000003be



Not good.

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/p...oldbetting.php

So don't they get marks out of 10 for being honest about the cheat switch?

I mean if they have got a cheat switch then surely every other SW has a cheat switch - it can not be any other way (unless you believe all that English Harbour gamble feature glitch clap-trap).

There was a poster not so long ago that claimed the BJ game was off and had the play-logs to prove it before he disappeared without trace (or was that wager-works?).


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[tencardcharlie]

I mean if they have got a cheat switch then surely every other SW has a cheat switch - it can not be any other way (unless you believe all that English Harbour gamble feature glitch clap-trap).

"That Swan is black, then surely all other swans are black"

It does not follow.

Edit: And, yeah I have also wonder what happened to Nafanny and the wagerworks debate.

[aka23]

I just played some games in fun mode. In most table games, I did not notice a difference. However, the difference was obvious with $500 bets in Diamond Blackjack. I won nearly every hand and gained ~$20,000 in a short period. I wonder if the reverse happens in real mode with $500 bets?

[winbig]

I just played some games in fun mode. In most table games, I did not notice a difference. However, the difference was obvious with $500 bets in Diamond Blackjack. I won nearly every hand and gained ~$20,000 in a short period. I wonder if the reverse happens in real mode with $500 bets?

I would bet that they're using your computer for the "RNG", not their servers.

[Scooter7]

I would bet that they're using your computer for the "RNG", not their servers.

With all due respect, I think you're missing the point on this thread.

The original poster says that 'tucked away' on the website is text indicating that the games are programmed to pay more in fun mode. Personally, I would never run a casino site that way, but if that's the way the casino is going to be run, then I consider it to be unethical 'bait-and-switch' behaviour unless it is splashed across the screen while you're playing. The potential to mislead or be accused of misleading players has a down-side, but no long-term up-side.

Only the casinos that hold themselves to a higher standard will survive the next 3-5 years in this market.

[Chatmaster]

The fact that they do not hide this and actually say it on their site is interesting. It means to me that they do not realize how serious this statement is! I mean surely allot of players do not even see this and think that they will be as lucky with real money! This angers me, that is why we need the world's governments to realize that they need to regulate this industry. Not Ban it!

[Casinomeister]

The fact that they do not hide this and actually say it on their site is interesting. It means to me that they do not realize how serious this statement is! I mean surely allot of players do not even see this and think that they will be as lucky with real money! This angers me, that is why we need the world's governments to realize that they need to regulate this industry. Not Ban it!

Good point - my apologies for not following up on this a while back when this first was reported/discovered.

No matter how you color this - it's not a good thing to do and players need to be warned about this.

They should have a pop-up screen that screams in your face the difference between play for fun and for real - or just not have any difference at all.

[thelawnet]

Good point - my apologies for not following up on this a while back when this first was reported/discovered.

No matter how you color this - it's not a good thing to do and players need to be warned about this.

They should have a pop-up screen that screams in your face the difference between play for fun and for real - or just not have any difference at all.

I believe Elka Systems were rogued for doing this, over on WizardOfOdds. http://wizardofodds.com/askthewizard/146