Royal Plaza - Beware

[Sodax77]

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This Group don't have any kind of control... Referring (some) sites, systems, etc... those are dead.

Old Samurai:

Winners

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Newsletter: "Coming soon" - since 2003-2004
Webmaster "Coming soon"

Did i contacted to the Royal Plaza or old Samurai (ever).

Yes

2 Years ago i asked from Old Samurai Casino, about promos, etc
No reply within past 800 days (i resent couple times)

1 Year ago i sent email to Royal Plaza, they promize to fix those errors asap.
No action within 1 year.

But i'm glad that they have eCogra "play it safe" seal

EDIT:
One more thing:

Check their PWC stats (especially slots)

PWC - May 2006 Special Report Best Casino Gambling - Old Samurai Casino

Slot Games 64.01% !!!

[Sodax77]

Great, Mini Vegas Group/Vegas Affiliates/VegasVIP Lounge whatever you are, you will use Casinomeister reputation, and you will continue your False/misleading/messy marketing/advertising + plus your ERROR sites, And same time you will add eCogra logo to your site.... but so far, you don't even reply to questions and/or do any correction.

[eeeee]

Cryptkeeper warning - old thread.

This miniVegas roguing was a long time in the making. Most sites would disallow the 'wrong' currency for bonuses. Some sites disallowed the wrong currency anytime (CaptCook group) but would then help you set up a new account. The notion of 'not being responsible for what happens' is bizzare and beyond reason. Good riddance.

[VegasVIP Lounge]

The Royal Plaza Casino has issued the following statement:

The Royal Plaza Casino would like to express its sincerest regret over a recent dispute that has arisen between the Casino and a number of players that are known to have been partaking in what can only be described as exploitative and abusive playing activities.

Following an in-depth investigation of this case, the Royal Plaza Casino initially took the decision to lock the offending player's accounts and refund their initial deposits.
Although the Royal Plaza Casino knows that this was the correct and just response to the actions of the players in question, criticism from the wider gaming community has prompted it to reappraise its recent actions. In turn the Royal Plaza Casino has decided to pay the offending players their winnings. The Royal Plaza Casino would like to emphasise that the circumstances relating to this case are quite different from any other that it has encountered before. The casino group cannot release full details relating to this case due to the implications it holds for its partners and for the wider security of the Casino.

The players involved in these illegitimate playing activities have been both highly organised and inventive in their methods. Therefore, although their accounts will be reopened and winnings paid, the Royal Plaza Casino reserves the right to take whatever actions it sees as necessary should these players display any further signs of engaging in exploitative playing activities.

Finally, the Royal Plaza Casino would like to once again emphasize that it pays millions of winners every year without delay or hassle. It is a fact that wherever the Casino Group has made a genuine error, it has always done all that it can to compensate the players in question.

[mucullus]

Wow, VegasVIPLounge! Have you ever read the thread before crossposting?

[vinylweatherman]

I would like to thank the rep for bumping this thread, perhaps they would like to explain this:-

EDIT:
One more thing:

Check their PWC stats (especially slots)

PWC - May 2006 Special Report Best Casino Gambling - Old Samurai Casino

Slot Games 64.01% !!!

This looks like the CASINO has been cheating!
This is unlike anything I have seen before, although I am used to seeing some variation in the PWC stats, this one should have rung alarm bells!
ECogra seems happy with these figures, and the seal has been granted.
Further analysis is needed, along with an explanation, as these are the figures from the AUDITOR, not some cock-up calculation at the casino.

Microgaming must comment if it is possible that such a sharp downward turn in payouts still reflects the requirements for the games to be both random in the long term, AND in the medium term (Ie - no long streaks).

[aka23]

Old Samurai is a small casino with little promotion and few players. The small number of players results in wild fluctuations in payouts. Even so, their average slot payout for the past year was about 80%, far below typical Microgaming. Their games list at http://www.oldsamuraicasino.com/game...ew/default.asp doesn't show the usual 5-reel video slots. They may be an old non-viper casino with 3-reel slots. I suspect that the slots that they do have, have an average payout near 80%, while the more popular 5-reel video slots at other casinos have an average payout near 95-96%.

EDIT: I checked the slot payout for 999 Casino, which only has old 3-reel games, to compare. The average payout over the past 12 visible months (Jun and July 2006 are not visible) was about 88%... half way between Old Samurai and the usual for newer MG viper casinos. It is not clear to me why Old Samurai is lower.

[vinylweatherman]

This illustrates the problem with these PWC figures then. They give no information as to player base, or size of sample, they just give a single figure. If they have a limited range of games, then the slots they have must be the really crappy ones, and shows just what a load of bull the marketing is when casinos trumpet their "we pay 98%" etc. They are using selective information to look better than the really are under the skin.
Unlike Lasseters, MG and other brands do not disclose the expected return on individual games, UNLESS it is good for marketing. They have certainly made a point of advertising payouts on the various 99%+ VP games they have released, but the figures are absent from the marketing for the new slots. Maybe these are being designed with somewhat lower payouts while we players still recite the mantra "slots pay 95% on average".

If the casino is so small, why not merge it with a bigger brand and make savings - other groups have done this as the market has contracted due to the US situation.

[wootchris]

The Royal Plaza Casino has issued the following statement:

The Royal Plaza Casino would like to express its sincerest regret over a recent dispute that has arisen between the Casino and a number of players that are known to have been partaking in what can only be described as exploitative and abusive playing activities.

Following an in-depth investigation of this case, the Royal Plaza Casino initially took the decision to lock the offending player's accounts and refund their initial deposits.
Although the Royal Plaza Casino knows that this was the correct and just response to the actions of the players in question, criticism from the wider gaming community has prompted it to reappraise its recent actions. In turn the Royal Plaza Casino has decided to pay the offending players their winnings. The Royal Plaza Casino would like to emphasise that the circumstances relating to this case are quite different from any other that it has encountered before. The casino group cannot release full details relating to this case due to the implications it holds for its partners and for the wider security of the Casino.

The players involved in these illegitimate playing activities have been both highly organised and inventive in their methods. Therefore, although their accounts will be reopened and winnings paid, the Royal Plaza Casino reserves the right to take whatever actions it sees as necessary should these players display any further signs of engaging in exploitative playing activities.

Finally, the Royal Plaza Casino would like to once again emphasize that it pays millions of winners every year without delay or hassle. It is a fact that wherever the Casino Group has made a genuine error, it has always done all that it can to compensate the players in question.

Great.

Were you going to pay me the $1500 or whatever it is that you stole from me? I PM'd you my details long ago.