Microgaming VP doubling rigged

[TrickyNicky]

As posted here:

http://www.rpoints.com/bb/viewtopic....er=asc&start=0

Basically when doubling on VP at ssome updated MG casinos, if you hover your mouse at the bottom left of the screen it will show your balance...but the balance will show whether you have won or lost - BEFORE you have picked a card!! So if the software displays a five, you can see whether you will win or lose - before you even pick a card! If you have lost - you'll obviously pick a lower card, even though it will often display a higher card as having been available (but how did the software know what you were going to pick?!).
So there is no interactive element to this game, which is clearly not what they are advertising and what players expect with a game of this nature. random? definitely not..


TN

[winbig]

I'm sure it's still random. It's just like playing the slots. The outcome is already determined as soon as you click "spin", or in this situation, "gamble".

Hardly worth claiming it's rigged.

[TrickyNicky]

but this is mocked up as a card game in which the player interacts...it is different to slots IMHO.

[winbig]

True, but that still doesn't mean it's rigged.


And also true they should let people know the outcome is predetermined, etc...

ie: "The gamble feature is setup like flipping a coin. As soon as you click the gamble button, the coin flips and decides your fate."

[Trezz]

That's a bit rich saying MG VP is rigged.

As far as I'm aware as soon as you hit the double button the RNG determines the results.

The cards, slots, whatever are just pretty graphics.

My understanding of this is that if you were to hit the double up button 1000'th of a sec later you'd achieve a different outcome, or 1000'th of a sec sooner you'd get a different outcome. Nothing rigged about that, sounds pretty random to me.

More to the point, is it rigged when you don't win & not rigged when you do...

I do however agree that they shouldn't display the outcome before the card is picked. This would lend itself to being thought as being dodgy imo. Not that I believe MG casino software is.

[nafanny29]

MG needs to expain how this actually works and the %.

It cant be a simple RNG 50/50 because I presume you "snap" with the dealer every now and then?

I predict this thread will get very looooonnnnnnnngggggggggg

[winbig]

Originally Posted by nafanny29

MG needs to expain how this actually works and the %.

It cant be a simple RNG 50/50 because I presume you "snap" with the dealer every now and then?

I predict this thread will get very looooonnnnnnnngggggggggg

You're right. I was thinking about the gamble on slots where it's a red/black/suit choice.

This almost seems like something I saw at (I believe it was) casino770 in the flash version of their blackjack. I started a thread about it, but it never went anywhere.

It definately seemed pretty odd to me at the time, but I never even thought of it being rigged...quite a difference.

Say you're playing a flash version of BJ. Is it normal for your balance to go up after you complete play on your hand, but before the dealer even takes a card / flips the hole card over? (if you win the hand)

Seems to me the game is already decided after you finish your hand, and adjusts your balance accordingly, although prematurely.

If you ask me, it takes the suspense out of it, but at the same time, takes the enjoyment out of it.

[1819]

Originally Posted by winbig

I'm sure it's still random. It's just like playing the slots. The outcome is already determined as soon as you click "spin", or in this situation, "gamble".

Hardly worth claiming it's rigged.

correct. as soon as you pick double. you've won or lost. what card you pick makes no difference. same as a land based machine. it does seem mg software uses the same cards for a loss. the ace comes up all the time. you hardley ever "lose" to an 8. lol. again though it makes no difference.

[vinylweatherman]

Rigged, as the genuine double-up game is NOT 50/50, it depends on what the dealer card is, and you have to pick a higher one. While the long term outcome is not any different, the VARIANCE and DEGREE OF RISK most certainly are different to what would be expected.
Certainly, if it is true that the result is a predetermined win or lose before a card is picked it makes a complete nonsense of the recent English Harbour excuse about the replacement of an array of cards after the pick and the win test being repeated again on the new card only if the original double was won.
If it is a coin toss, MG should show it as such, we do NOT expect slot performance for a card game.
I read that Video Poker machines have to behave as though it were a real deck of cards, the MG double game in THEIR VP games seem to breach this rule. I expect the land based ones would not be alllowed to do this.

I could say that perhaps it is the same for the Blackjack then, the result is determined as soon as you press deal, and within reason, you cannot win more by playing better strategy, only lose by making boneheaded decisions like hitting on 19's and 20's!

I noticed this little quirk a while ago. I posted that one day this will catch MG out doing something with a game that was not as displayed on the screen.

Incidentally, in Blackjack, the result updates as soon as you stand, and BEFORE the dealer even starts to draw, although this is not the same as the player no longer has influence over the outcome, unlike in a case where they have to pick the right card from 5 to beat the dealer card.

What other games are not as displayed, thus making the variance different to that of a land casino played with real cards.

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