Microgaming VP doubling rigged

[vinylweatherman]

If it is still 2 random cards, rather than a 50/50 coin toss, then it does not hurt players, or change the variance. The only ones to suffer are the casinos!
As the cock-up over the displayed balance updating too soon, it has exposed that one player "myth" turns out to be true!
There has often been the feeling that at times the MG games seem stuck in a rut, and whatever decent hand the player gets, the dealer gets an even more extraordinary "fluke".
I find some sessions at BJ I actually get decent hands much of the time, but I constantly get a run of 20's pushed, a BJ pushed, then lose a few bad hands that were losers anyway (hard 15's etc), the problem is all the pushes instead of wins when I had the good hands. Long term, the payout is as it should be, but short term this constant bad run can bankrupt the deposit in no time.
I doubt that we will find any long term cheating, but I bet that soon we will find evidence that the software has been designed to streak for excitement value, perhaps by introducing short cuts that amplify the variance, and provide for positive feedback to keep a run going a bit longer than would be expected. The PWC analysis does not look for this, it works only on long term payback, and will not give any indication if any of these short cuts have been used elsewhere.

I have recently become puzzled as to how those new slots with 30 winlines still seem to manage the spells of 30 spins with absolutely nothing back, just like the 9 line ones. They are supposed to be low variance, and should not be giving such dry spells. It is making me wonder if these are also a case of the RNG determining the amount won and the software transmitting the appropriate stops to generate a win of that value. Oddly enough, this then looks like the even bets on roulette, where runs of 10 or so blacks or reds can happen as well as spells where they alternate. If the slots have 50% of stops producing any win, and 50% not, it looks like the win/not a win is running like a 50/50 coin toss, rather than separate RNs to calculate each reel's stop.

[The Watchdog]

But.. what I believe I have not been able to explain my self is the folowing...

Why if its a 2 card random pick, would they show you 4 freaking cards, then you pick one... and you see that if you had chosen the when next to the one you picked, you might have won...?? Thats "·$%&)/% UP!!

Basically if the dealer had an 8, and you chose a 4...and the system showed that next to your 4 was an ace you would think.. DAMN, I SHOULD HAD PICKED THE OTHER...

BUT IN MICROGAMING IT DOESN´T MATTER... BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE OTHER ONE, THE SAME FREAKING 4 HAD SHOWN AND THE ACE WOULD HAVE APPEARED NEXT TO IT...

For me is like an analogy for false advertisement...

My question again: Am I retarded or this is just not right?

[tennis_balls]

My question again: Am I retarded or this is just not right?

do I have to select one option?

[mitch]

Basically if the dealer had an 8, and you chose a 4...and the system showed that next to your 4 was an ace you would think.. DAMN, I SHOULD HAD PICKED THE OTHER...
My question again: Am I retarded or this is just not right?

Watchdog

What you have said is right, but of course half the time you would get the ace no matter what card you chose!

You would then think "what a great picker I am".

That's what it is all about, an illusion that gives the player the correct odds and expectation. Indeed that is what all internet play is about. It represents real cards and real roulette wheels etc but it is all ones and zeros. As long as the programmers are delivering the correct expectation and realities of real physical play you should not worry.

Indeed internet casinos usually give you better odds than B&Ms overall, when you factor in bonuses, due to their low overheads.

Mitch

[The Watchdog]

Your choice buddy...

Just hope I am not retarded and that thing with Video Poker at MG is not right...

[The Watchdog]

Watchdog

What you have said is right, but of course half the time you would get the ace no matter what card you chose!

You would then think "what a great picker I am".

That's what it is all about, an illusion that gives the player the correct odds and expectation. Indeed that is what all internet play is about. It represents real cards and real roulette wheels etc but it is all ones and zeros. As long as the programmers are delivering the correct expectation and realities of real physical play you should not worry.

Indeed internet casinos usually give you better odds overall, when you factor in bonuses, due to their low overheads.

Mitch

Hell no!! That is exactly why this thread freaked me out.. That is not what internet gambling is about. At least not to me. Who the "&% needs illusions??
I do know about binary codes, which by the way is annoying me you bringging it up all the time.

And I do worry.. If Microgaming Casino´s Video Poker works this way it means that MG's programmes are a bunch of lazy guys who didn´t want to make an effort and provide more reallity and a better gaming experience to the player.

Micro´s interest is selling their software to Casino Operators... as long as they are happy, why would they change their code? But I am sure that when a Casino Operator is advertising "The Best and most real Gaming experience" they are relying on those programmers doing their job, which in this case.. .they are not!!!

You that talk so much about freaking zero´s and ones and programmers... Analyze this:

Is it possible for them to make a better product and program a more reliable RNG in order to deal 1 care facing up and 4 cards facing down in order for the player to pick one??

OF COURSE THEY CAN...

What it seems to me is that they stopped typing code up to the option where the customer chooses to double or not and let the RNG work this way up to this point. The next step, which is the screen and all the soap opera about picking the card is just to provide excitement.

For me, this is mediocre.

If the point is to provide the most realistic gaming experience, they are just not doing it.

[mitch]

Just hope I am not retarded and that thing with Video Poker at MG is not right...

Cheers mate!

Mitch

[vinylweatherman]

The big problem is that MG have exposed the existance of this doubling short cut through another programming error in the EZBonus balance display, without this, we would never have known about this.
The problem for MG is that they have misdescribed the game in their online help by implying the result is decided at the time the player picks a card, rather than at the point of clicking on "double". Now, the question is what else is not as described, and does it have an effect on the short term variance of a game even if not on the overall return.
I have noted something similar in Blackjack. When the player hits "stand", the balance updates before the dealer has drawn the cards. Clearly this is another short cut, but in this case the player has no further influence in the outcome. It shows that the server has responded with a string of dealer cards, and the end result, in a single transaction, and this is then displayed as a card by card event for the player. The short cut also exists in MH Video Poker, with the end result already available while the cards are still being revealed.
These all prove that MG is not playing the game we think it is, but one that still retains the correct house edge. Unfortunately, it is a bit like watching a recorded football match when some idiot has already revealed the final score to you, it is less interesting.

I am sure I mentioned in my original post on this quirk that MG had better fix this before we see something we ought not to, well, too late now MG

[mitch]

If the point is to provide the most realistic gaming experience, they are just not doing it.

When you play the classic Millionaires Club slot and you get to the final wheel do you really believe that you have a one in ten chance of winning the jackpot as you would if this was a real physical wheel?

Mitch

[HateMG]

I remember a while ago somebody posted in this forum some VP screens with up to 9-10 winning doubles in a row off of a single win. I don't remember exactly if it was RTG or Playtech but it was definately not MG. So could it be MG designed it's VP double feature in such way just to prevent this from happenning? What if they have some counter that allows only 4-5 max. Then it makes a huge difference and gives you an explanation why they implemented such shortcut. Of course I don't have any proof. It just a speculation on my part but on another hand noone can prove that this theory can't be true.