Jackpot Factory's Inspirational Stories

[jetset]

xxhttp://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?p=122613#post122613

It seems that at least one poster over at WOL does not think this issue merits further attention....how many others share this view?

[Pinababy69]

Yes Jetset, I read that post yesterday. There are a few others who feel that way as well. Go and read the thread at CAP. I think it's all of three pages, with the general consensus being that Lloyd is such a great guy, the material has all been removed, our players have never had any problems, etc. Very little, if any, outrage over the depravity of the whole thing. Now mention 888 condoning theft, and that's a different story. Both are unacceptable, don't get me wrong. But one causes an uproar because it affects income, the other is swept under the rug because to take a stand would affect income.

To answer your question, it definitely merits further attention. This issue is going to have my attention for quite a while yet. I may not post everyday on it, but I'm still sending emails, and I'm still searching, and I haven't forgotten, nor will I. I intend to be a thorn in JF's side for as long as I can.

[elscrabinda]

At the risk of turning this players vs affiliates (credit goes to those affiliates on here who have removed JF from their sites) reading the CAP forum makes my blood boil. As long as they get their healthy commissions most of them couldn't care less where it came from. Two posters even said this whole episode had encouraged them to promote JF!

I guess cancer sufferers and depressed people contemplating suicide make profitable customers

[jetset]

[quote=Pinababy69]....Lloyd is such a great guy, the material has all been removed, our players have never had any problems, etc.QUOTE]

But it has clearly not been removed. My own feeling is that this junk is still appearing, and that the issue should not be allowed to 'just move on' until it stops doing so. To act otherwise may encourage others to pull this sort of stunt.

And the eCOGRA investigation has yet to run its course in determining how this occurred and how to stop it occurring again...at least at any operation bearing the Play It Safe seal. I for one await eCOGRA's further report on that aspect.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by elscrabinda

Two posters even said this whole episode had encouraged them to promote JF!

Doesn't that just make you wanna hurl?

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by jetset

My own feeling is that this junk is still appearing, and that the issue should not be allowed to 'just move on' until it stops doing so. To act otherwise may encourage others to pull this sort of stunt.

I absolutely agree Jetset. A message needs to be sent IMO. And you've all seen Boaz's attitude on here. What's to stop him or someone just as despicable as him from doing the same thing with another group? If there are no repercussions, then essentially JF got away with it. All the apologies in the world don't make up for what they did. And let's not forget that either. They tried to placate everyone by saying that this had been "outsourced" to a third party. Bullshit. This was from within their own company, but they didn't "come clean" about that aspect of it, did they? If some on here hadn't done some digging, we'd all still be thinking that some other company was responsible for it. And I have this sickening feeling in my gut that the upper echelons at JF have the exact same attitude as that toad Boaz, and that in fact are probably sitting back laughing at those of us who are disgusted. So what if they lost a few players? They have a substantial number of affiliates who don't give a shit to bring in ten more for each one lost.

I still want to see a large donation, and I mean large, made to one or more charities directly targeted by this slime.

[Chatmaster]

Well I just made a post there to pressent my opinion about the issue. I will probably get flamed. But it is clear they haven't read the latest few posts here.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by Chatmaster

Well I just made a post there to pressent my opinion about the issue. I will probably get flamed. But it is clear they haven't read the latest few posts here.

Chatmaster, you are a brave soul indeed. I'd say you'll probably be burned alive at the stake, nevermind flamed, lol.

One point I would like clarified, and that I did post about in the Affiliates thread here...is why so many websites are still advertising all the JF casinos as eCOGRA certified? If they want to continue promoting them, that's their business, but surely it couldn't be that hard to go in and edit one or two lines of text to properly reflect JF's standing with eCOGRA? Their seals have been suspended for a week and a half now, more than sufficient time to revise their "reviews" of these gems.

[derelict]

Originally Posted by jetset

It seems that at least one poster over at WOL does not think this issue merits further attention....how many others share this view?

I don't have a problem with additional review, but I do have a problem with the ongoing misrepresentation of the issue. Here are some quite valid criticisms:

- Problem gamblers were targeted with search engine manipulation.

- Middle to upper management likely was aware of or turned a blind eye to unethical seo practices.

- Problem gamblers may have believed the textual fodder.

- Jackpot Factory properties ranked artificially high in searches where they didn't belong.

- The group was slow to take action when the problems were presented.

Here are some invalid ones:

- There was a campaign to mislead players into thinking that gambling would improve their lives.

- Management knows everything going on in the organization, and therefore they must have approved of the content.

There are no absolutes in this industry. Problem gamblers are the life blood of even the most responsible of casinos. And likewise, even the rogues are not without some redeeming factors. (and eCOGRA is not entirely useless ) Everyone needs to form their own opinion. Mine is that this issue is serious, but less serious than what some others are walking away from with not much more than a slap on the wrist. Clearly in these parts, my view is in the minority.

If that hasn't made me unpopular enough, I might add that I believe the culture on this forum of self congratulation is leading to some irrational judgement. One of the strengths of a forum is that while everyone doesn't agree, at least one can hammer out a sort of consensus from reading the thread. In my opinion, far too much emphasis is being placed on personalities and not enough on facts -- this actually applies to some other threads more than this one, but I see some of that here too.

[dominique]

Originally Posted by Chatmaster

Well I just made a post there to pressent my opinion about the issue. I will probably get flamed. But it is clear they haven't read the latest few posts here.

Chatmaster, I moderate over there.

There will be no flaming, we don't even allow flaming.

Any flames are put into the freeforall section, and if they still don't go out, they are removed to the attic.

You are most welcome to speak your mind, and, personally, I welcome it.