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Old 2nd June 2006, 01:42 PM
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1. Immediately remove ALL links to any of this garbage.

3. Immediate removal of their ECogra Seal for at least a six month period, during which they would be on probation and watched very closely. After the six months were up, they could then re-apply for reinstatement of the Seal.

4. A hefty, and I mean hefty, donation to any one of many possible charities. Possibly related to gambling addiction, or to any of the groups of disadvantaged people that they have seriously offended. A suicide prevention centre, or a cancer fund comes to mind, off the top of my head.


I'm frankly astonished every single last trace wasn't removed within minutes of being made aware of this thread. Fingers crossed they are just spectacularly disorganised, and this isn't just sat at the bottom of someone's in tray - to be dealt with when they get round to it...
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Old 2nd June 2006, 02:00 PM
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Tricky. You either subscribe to one of two arguments: that they were stitched up or they knowingly did it. If they were "stitched up", then they are demonstrating a severe lack of quality control. So the question becomes is it an honesty issue or a procedural issue. Bit like the EH case actually.

Of course they will never ever admit to planning this strategy, as EH willl never ever admit to cheating deliberately. So I guess each player has to draw their own conclusion as to which it is. The unfortunate thing is that the majority of casual players are probably totally oblivious to it all whereas we have the benefit of sharing information and opinions to assist us.
This clearly did not happen by accident, and unlike the EH case, it was staring in their faces if they cared to look at their own webpages, there was no need to analyze statistics. The audacity of the Jacpot Factory representative claiming that the articles had been removed is especially galling.
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Jetset, maybe you can enlighten me and some others here.... I am surprised that no one else has asked this yet but for eCOGRAs sake maybe the bigger picture questions should be:


1. What in the hell is eCOGRA actually approving their seal at these casinos for? ie; Integrity; Safe site; Consistent payout; Responsible operator conduct.


2. Does eCOGRA not actually do web searches of the casino before they are getting ready to approve for seal just to check and make sure that the casino site or web searches are not advertising this BS?


3. Does eCOGRA not ever police or follow up on searches to periodically check in on the sites that they have seal approved?


4. Does eCOGRA give seal approval and then never check on casino unless some issue is raised?


5. What do they do the rest of the day? LOL


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Good questions, which I will try to answer from my own knowledge, although eCOGRA is obviously a more appropriate entity to which these could be addressed:

Q1: Yes, all of these are goals of the seal process: Quote: Integrity; Safe site; Consistent payout; Responsible operator conduct. Unquote.

Q2: As far as I know the suitability for the award of a seal is based on probity and other business and financial checks together with on-site inspection of all operational systems by the independent auditors eCOGRA hires for this purpose. The report from the auditors is then studied by the three independent directors responsible for seals (Hirst, Galston and Catania) who make the final decision to award or send the report back for further specific attention. I would imagine web searches would be part of such a process, but I'm not privy to the detailed content of the checks carried out and I simply don't know. This is the sort of question better posed to eCOGRA direct imo.

Q3: Yes. There's a regular review and report to the directors process, again carried out by the auditors. Ongoing monitoring of transactions through the (contentious) TGTR process is also in effect. And complaints addressed to the CEO and FGA are dealt with as part of the administration set-up.

Q4: See answer to Q3.

Q5: eCOGRA's permanent staff consists of the CEO and the FGA. That's it. They have a pretty busy day dealing with the administrative side of eCOGRA, liaison with external bodies, advising seal holders, dealing with complaints to the FGA, doing the bidding of the directors (especially the independent directors who are mainly responsible for operational issues but are not actually full-time at eCOGRA) and other stuff I don't even know about. Along with seeking an independent perspective, this is why they outsource most of their checking, inspection and monitoring.

That's my best shot at answering your questions, RobWin - as I say eCOGRA may be the better place to direct anything further you need to know.

I will say this, however. In my personal experience Andrew Beveridge is one of the most professional and conscientious managers I have come across in this industry, and he is a hard worker with good player sensitivity. He is always prepared to tackle issues by raised by anyone with a problem and bring these before the directors to whom he reports.
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Kudos, Bryan

Kudos, Bryan - the fact that Jackpot Factory has not yet managed to take down every last one of these awful "inspirational stories" despite the fact that management by its own admission has known about it for at least three (?) days vindicates your rogue-ing the entire group.
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Jackpot Factory must have some really lame casinos. They couldn't write real stories about how good it and its games are, so they wrote some gobbledygook crap about it.

The manager actually hired someone with instructions to write garbage. How sad is that? The manager thinks so little of the casinos he oversees. I think maybe the wrong people got fired.
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This is VERY low. And this isn't even on one of their casino domains - it's a separate one! At first I thought it might be a lowlife affiliate, because of where the registrant's address is - but all the pages are named in the same format as they are on JF's 4 web sites. Here's the WHOIS record for ONLINE--KENO.COM:
I don't know if JF or their SEO person set it up, but either way it is damning for the casino to have this crap like the online--keno.com site in their marketing:

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Keno Good for Kids
Keno -- whether Video keno, online keno, land based keno, or any other keno -- seems to be beneficial to the raising of small children, especially preschool kids. This may come as a surprise to parents who pride themselves on keeping their children casino game – and keno – free. ``Keno is definitely beneficial to children ages 4-6,'' said lead researcher John Green of the Center for Keno Study and Research.
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Wow. That online- keno site is unbelievable. Its FULL of these inspirational stories. I'm not sure how many have been posted here but its well worth reading through them. One of the more lighthearted ones claims the existence of keno disproves the theory of evolution.

I won't cut and paste them all here but have a look for yourself.

www.online--keno.com
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Now I realise that this could go on forever but had to pick this one as a personal favourite!!!

Read why I checked out keno
John, my new boyfriend, wanted to take me on his boat. His boat was his pride and joy. The only problem was, much as I liked the idea of sailing in theory, in practice I often got motion sickness and I did not think that would make for a great date. But he was so excited and clearly had so much pride; what could I do but agree? I decided I was going to have to bring my computer and find something on the Internet which would take my mind off it. as I was searching on line for a fun game, I came across keno. I had not played keno for ages and I had certainly never played keno on a computer. I decided to check in to this keno game straight away.

http://www.online--keno.com/feeling-...to-forget.html

Click to play keno and click to feel good!
Well, this game of keno was awesome. I was now feeling a lot better about the prospective boat trip with John. When we got on, he started the boat and I logged on to that great casino with the awesome keno. While he was busy, I was playing keno (the beginning of trips were usually the worst). And it worked! Playing keno at this cool casino was so much fun, I felt fine. In fact, I actually forgot I was on a boat and yelled out real loud when I won! John came running having thought I had hurt myself and when he found I was fine, we ended up in a wonderful embrace that led to, well I am sure you can work out what happened next! If something is bothering you and you need to find a way to get it out of your mind, play keno here.

Dont want to sound pedantic but....

A. Wouldnt staring at a screen actually make you more seasick....like reading a book when in a car, and...

B. Must have been quite a nice boat in order to get internet access

Beyond the realms of creativity me thinks!!!
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Santa always seemed to have something else up his sleeve. He was always doing something fun and interesting and about a week ago when I went to visit him, he told me that he had started playing internet keno. I am telling you; I ve not had this much fun since I married Mrs. Santa. You should try it; internet keno is great. Well, Santa really was excited. And he was right; I for one had not seen him this excited since his wedding to Mrs. Santa either. Anyway, today I had quite a hard day. I had fought with my wife in the morning before I left to work, got stuck in traffic on the way to work and had a lousy day at the office. I just wished I was able to play internet keno at work; internet keno really kept me sane. Rather than head straight for home, I decided to go visit Santa in his grotto. Straight away I noticed the lights on and his computer screen show that he was playing internet keno. Oh good, I thought to myself; he was bound to be in an extra happy mood.

I watch as Santa plays internet keno through the night
Well, I had such fun that night with Santa. I actually forgot to go home. But watching Santa play internet keno through the night was really relaxing. When I went home in the morning, I apologized to my wife but she was so sweet. It is okay Mick, she said, I knew you needed some time out and watching Santa play internet keno was probably just right for you. What a great wife I had, I thought.
The last couple of sentences are my favourite
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John, my new boyfriend, wanted to take me on his boat....we ended up in a wonderful embrace that led to, well I am sure you can work out what happened next!
Well at least John got what he wanted out of this whole sorry affair (sic)
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