An email to Mr Kevin Arnott, VIP Manager, Slots Jackpot Casino

[bernynhel]

Mr. Arnott:

I just contacted Live Chat to inquire about my 10% cash back, which was to be credited on Monday - today - I have deposited accordingly, over $550.00, since your email of 2/8/2010 and my reply of the same day inquiring as to when the 10% would be credited. Jake of chat support first told me that my cash back was due on Thursday, so I pasted the body of your email stating "'Monday". More arguing - Jake didn't notice "Monday" in the email so he stuck to his story. Then he tried to tell me that since I didn't receive my credit today, automatically, I must not have qualified for it. I phoned into support. Got another story. I wont bother you with any more versions.

Mr Arnott, when you emailed me on the 8th informing me of my upgrade to VIP and that, among other things I will not hold my breath waiting for, I would receive 10% cash back on Monday, how many variations on what was actually meant by that was I supposed to anticipate?

Well it now seems there are countless interpretations. Don't expect further deposits and do expect to see a copy of this email posted at various online gambling forums today.

I don't get jerked around with this kind of B.S. without a good vehicle to share my experience with others in the online gaming community.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post349219

Sincerely jerked around and not happy one f'kn iota about it,

(deleted by bernynhel)



(bernynhel)

The original email from Slots Jackpot Casino informing me of my VIP upgrade:

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:41 PM, SlotsJackpot Support <support@slotsjackpotcasino.com> wrote:


Dear (deleted by bernynhel),

Your account has been upgraded to Vegas Gold VIP at slotsjackpotcasino.com.
Your username is (deleted by bernynhel)

Your new VIP status entitles you to exclusive offers and more. You now get
10% Weekly Cashback
10% VIP Reload bonuses
50% VIP Rewards bonus

If you need any help on your account just let me know.

Sincerely,

Kevin Arnott
VIP Manager
slotsjackpotcasino.com
SlotsJackpotCasino.com ©2009 - 2010

My initial reply:

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM, (deleted by bernynhel) wrote:

Thanks, that! What day of the week are the cash backs available? - wjb

Their reply, back:

fromSlots Jackpot Support <support@slotsjackpotcasino.com>
to (deleted by bernynhel)

dateFri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:24 PM
subjectRe: Att: Kevin Arnott Re: Your SlotsJackpot VIP upgrade (Issue (deleted by bernynhel))
mailed-bycasinocontroller.com


Dear (deleted by bernynhel),

Following up on your email.

We would like to inform you that cashback is credited on Monday.

Thank you for contacting us. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us again.

Have a nice day.

Sincerely,
Slots Jackpot Customer Service

And now, la peice de resistence, Le Chat Transcripte!

[RockbetKatarina]

Hi,

First of all, I'd like to apologize for any inconvenience caused by this issue. Unfortunately, the cash backs didn't go out automatically this week, so they are being added manually.

Thanks for your understanding,

Katarina

Manager
Rockbet Partners

[bernynhel]

Thanks, that. This has been resolved. Mr. Arnott sent me the following:

Dear (deleted by bernynhel)

I am looking into why the cash back promo was not being added automatically for your account. Meanwhile I have credited your account with a $75 VIP bonus available to claim in the cashier.

If you have any questions please get back to me directly.

Sincerely,

Kevin Arnott
Slots Jackpot Casino

However, while there will always be snafus like automatic credits not materializing, it needn't always result in the kind of particularly nasty experience as I had the privilege of enjoying at the hands of Live Chat.

While the cash back not being in the My Promotions area had been annoying enough, it quickly deteriorated in status as an annoyance compared to the s**tstorm I encountered when I ventured to bring the matter up with Jake in Live Chat, didn't it?

It is my sincerest hope that the latter issue not be diminished to a point beneath it's proper place of prominence in perspective to the former issue.

It would never have occurred to me match the images, below, to my earlier experience. Live Chat with Jake, most definitely, did not Rock!

I replied to Mr Arnott:

Hi Kevin:

I noticed. I'm happy. But you shouldn't be. Because you have a problem called Jake in Live Chat Support that is going to guarantee you an endless supply of grief via needlessly agitated customers, going forward. FYI please see attached Live Chat transcript. You know your lucky its me, most people would just go away rather than say anything.

- wjb

And, once again, THANK-YOU! CasinoMeister!!!

[Nifty29]

Thats pretty bad Bern!

Did you really expect anything else from the Rockbet group though??

Its part of the reason they are on the not recommended list.

[bernynhel]

Thats pretty bad Bern!
Did you really expect anything else from the Rockbet group though??
Its part of the reason they are on the not recommended list.

Really?! I thought it was pretty good! The d-head chat dude got so immediately stupid that even Rockbet was too embarassed (apparantly) by the chat transcript winding up on CM to ignore it. And I wound up with $20 more cash back than I would have if they had just handled their business, properly, from jump street!

Besides, I didn't know about any RockBet association until I just saw Katrina's post, below! LOL. Their listed as a Silverstone Overseas Ltd site on Casino City and Slots Jackpot Casino isn't mentioned at all, here at CM, let alone with RockBet in the Rogue pit.

Whaddayagunna do?!

[vinylweatherman]

Really?! I thought it was pretty good! The d-head chat dude got so immediately stupid that even Rockbet was too embarassed (apparantly) by the chat transcript winding up on CM to ignore it. And I wound up with $20 more cash back than I would have if they had just handled their business, properly, from jump street!

Besides, I didn't know about any RockBet association until I just saw Katrina's post, below! LOL. Their listed as a Silverstone Overseas Ltd site on Casino City and Slots Jackpot Casino isn't mentioned at all, here at CM, let alone with RockBet in the Rogue pit.

Whaddayagunna do?!

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[bernynhel]

...It seems Rockbet are a particularly poor example of a wider range of below standard Rival casinos.... a few have seen the light, and got rid of this crappy central support service...they try to hide whether they are affiliated to other groups, are merely "Bonne Chance white labels", or are true independent operations...yet their central support seems to lack even the basic skills. It is no wonder these "sh*tstorms" keep happening.

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