wofacai bonus issue: Pontoon = Blackjack Game?

[Da_Gambla]

Ermmm .... its not that complicated actually.

You saw nothing wrong with the "do not say anything we do not like or we will seize all your money" clause.

Says it all.

God help the player here!!!

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear Henry. Let me try again. Your bullying techniques are a waste of energy. Hopefully third time will be charmed?

I did not understand that if you quote a term from a casino, that you have to implicitly state whether or not you agree with said term. Is that policy on these forums? Really?

So everytime I point out where a term might get a player into trouble, which might harm his complaint case, I must append either "I agree" or "I disagree" with what I'm pointing out? And as well, if I accidentally leave out such appendage, then it defaults to "I agree"..??

You speak of ABSURD! LOL!

If that's your only argument to this ongoing saga, then hopefully you are through for today.

Cheers,
- Keith

[henryVIII]

I did not understand that if you quote a term from a casino, that you have to implicitly state whether or not you agree with said term.

Ermmm ... kind of the point of a discussion forum.

Unless you have no opinion of your own of course.

[happygobrokey]

someone get the hose!

we're flogging an expired nag here. the player probably won't get paid and the majority imo agrees with this, given what's been presented. with all the info here, it's easy to pick out a few missteps that could have caused this whole fiasco, and once the true issues are rectified it will be resolved. there's no point in trying to prove anything else here i think. the ball is in the casino's court to ultimately give the root of the issue and a recommended course of action will follow. let's wait back to hear from the casino and see what develops. until then, it's all been said. now let's all kiss and make up!

[Vesuvio]

I posted my opinion that he should take further argument and clarification on where his account status lies to CS at this casino. While I know you believe your opinion is the only one allowed in this thread, I hasten to add that it is not. If you wish to have a discussion, then politely explain to me how you intend to do that if you are the only one with an opinion? Do you enjoy talking to yourself?

Just a brief response.

If other people didn't have different opinions there wouldn't be any reason to post. It's not megalomania to think my opinion's right and try to support it - that's what an opinion is: what you believe to be right (unless we're talking about favourite colours or running a debating society here).

I still think it's misguided to make much of any clause saying players musn't embarrass the casino or software company, not least because I can't remember a single case where that's been invoked. If it ever was instant roguing would (should) be the result.

[tristan727]

As for playthrough requirements, games, etc., Tristan - you need to contact their customer support on that.

Somewhere amongst the 20 odd pages of this thread, had thought I made it clear this was no longer an issue - apologies if not.I do have grievances regarding this - but am practical - it's the 'fraud' cr*p I'm still very much angry bout.

[Casinomeister]

Somewhere amongst the 20 odd pages of this thread, had thought I made it clear this was no longer an issue - apologies if not.I do have grievances regarding this - but am practical - it's the 'fraud' cr*p I'm still very much angry bout.

Sorry for the fraud crap. But if you saw what they showed me, you would have probably done the same thing. I'll just leave it at that.

Now go play some Black Jack games

[vinylweatherman]

Sorry for the fraud crap. But if you saw what they showed me, you would have probably done the same thing. I'll just leave it at that.

Now go play some Black Jack games

Well, if what they had was so good, how come the player is now able to play out the balance under the usual terms.

The casino was so certain this was fraud they took very severe action, they didn't just ask further questions.
Is this yet another casino acting as judge jury and executioner, hanging a player out to dry, and then finding out they got it all wrong.

If what they showed you turned out not to be fraud, they need to clean up their procedures before they call players a fraud.
After all, this very accusation was levelled at the casino when the thread started, and they didn't like it one bit. Casino operators are professionals in their trade, players are just consumers of the product. It is casino operators who should be expected to uphold the highest standards when it comes to not getting things wrong, players cannot be expected to know much more than how to register, read, and play.

[uungy]

Haven't been on the past couple days, but what I see is adding insult to injury, as I My account was closed, and so was someone elses.

They provided Bryan with some false information, and claimed false allegations against players, with absolutely no base to it

I claim (so does another player here) that Pontoon "wasnt in the terms and condition" when I played.

With all this you are still trusting the casino, whom say it was included in the terms!!!!

It clealy ISN'T BJ.

Makes no sense to me, unless you are taking a particular side!

[happygobrokey]

It clealy ISN'T BJ.

oh, it SO is. ranks of cards are the same, objective is the same, actions are the same.

someone give a convincing argument with some sort of evidence to claim the games are different. the word used to call a blackjack by is different? so i guess elevators and lifts are not related either. the dealer wins ties? any rules enforced or not don't change the game's nature and its essence. some blackjack games do/don't allow surrender, DAS, payout 6:5 on bj's, play with a hole card, etc. the games are still forms of the game blackjack.

neanderthals were a totally distinct sort of race, and indeed came about before true humans (as pontoon did before traditional bj), yet to all but the nitpickiest circles who would beg to differ on such technicalities, some 95% of people would group neanderthals together with all other hominids as "man" or "forms of man". only minor cosmetic details differentiate humans from neanderthals, and their way of life was the same, and they did coexist and share the same goals and features. anyone taking the overwhelmingly unpopular stance that they are not men, or that pontoon is not bj, has to have some specific insider information to be holding this belief when nearly everyone she meets will not agree with her view.

long/short of it, if you KNOW FOR A FACT pontoon is not bj, then you are smarter than the casinos and everyone else here (and please enlighten us showing the proofs that caused you to doubt the majority and know you're right). if you're simply TRYING TO CONVINCE anyone here or at the casino that such is not the case, either you have some stake in it or you just like to argue/be the devil's advocate. but please let's have some undeniable truths that make you all believe it's not a form of blackjack. [/dead_horse_flog]

[tristan727]

Now go play some Black Jack games

There's the thing - I don't actually like BJ - is too boring. Pontoon gives me that extra buzz - like when you split aces, and get Pontoon on one, then a 5 card (doubled) on the other. Suddenly your $10 original stake has turned into $90! Of course, on the flipside - you quite often lose 7,8, or 14 games in a row - that's the variance for you - and hence why many casino's do treat it differently, as not all casino's ban games purely by the theoretical payout% - is down to risk to player's funds sometimes.