screwed up and need help

[shanet21]

I screwed up and opened an account at playersvegas.com. Shortly after, a friend told me it was a bad site and referred me to your website (I'm new to online sportsbooks). They took my credit card for deposit and I was wondering if I call my credit card and refuse payment if they would have any recourse or if anyone else has tried this without success. Any advise or help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

[spearmaster]

I would recommend trying to withdraw your funds instead - and only if for some reason they do not return your funds do you contact your credit card company. Chargebacks not only hurt the operator, they hurt you too because it goes on your bank records - do it too often and your credit card will be closed.

One should only do a chargeback only under worst case scenarios.

[Casinomeister]

Yes, try and withdraw your funds first. If that doesn't work -- I would recommend a chargeback. This casino is a worst case scenerio, and a number of players have unsuccessfully "closed" their accounts.

I received a complant yesterday of a player who's owed $19,000. It's really sad seeing these people getting ripped off from this group of casinos. It's even worse seeing •••••••• promoting them.

And I wouldn't worry about being put on any "blacklist" for charging back with these crooks. They would be doing you favor by blocking your account from their merry band of rogues.

[Casinomeister]

Recent update: http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/goldbetting.html

[jyde]

Haha - Directnetpay has told me that it has no affiliation with Goldbetting

They only share the same laptop. Funking crooks!

Btw. - if you wonder where they get their players from http://www.integritycasinoguide.com/creditcards

And it's NOT like he hasn't been told there are serious problems with this group of casinos. Once they screw him on his affiliate cut I'm sure he'll blacklist them.

[jetset]

LOL. This is J. Todd - the guy who's trying to found a new webmaster's association called Association of Professional Casino Webmasters!

[jyde]

Yeah almost forgot - the apcw.org - yet another seal for Windows Casino and Magic Oasis

[integrity]

It goes against my better judgement to post in a forum about this subject. This is the sort of thing that I cannot win either way... unless I just do what you people tell me to do. So what the heck, let's talk about this group.

First, these casinos were originally on my site way-back-when as STRICTLY an alternative option for players who were getting their credit cards rejected. They were ment to "hold 'em over" so to speak, while they had their NETeller, FIREpay, or PrePaidATM accounts set-up.

I had never heard of these guys until a GPWA member brought them to my attention. What happened after I put them on my site? They converted like crazy... to me that ment there were a LOT of players getting credit cards rejected, and it seemed like I was providing a great alternative for them... thus, their promotion.

Some months ago I heard the first "grumblings" from "players" about this group. I was contacted by a gentleman calling himself "Tortex", who I later learned was a former member of the OPA, just like Mr.Meister here. He told me the story of the player who was owed $3,000 by these guys and asked me to help. I contacted Ted Kennedy who replied almost immediately that this woman was paid via wire transfer $1,500 as agreed to by OPA mediation.

I contacted Tortex again, at which time he enlightened me that there was, in fact, an agreement for $1,500... but that the casinos never paid... and that NOW they wanted the FULL $3,000.

I asked how he KNEW this player never got the wire transfer, and he claimed to have seen her bank record...

I asked if he KNEW she had just one bank account... he said yes, he did...

I asked how he knew that... well... he just "knew"...

I asked if I could see a copy of the bank account statement, and PROMISED that if he could produce a statement I would confront Kennedy personally to produce a wire transfer tracking number... Then we could see if a transfer ever took place. Tortex politely refused to produce any bank records...

I then asked to deal with this player PERSONALLY and not go through Tortex... he refused. I asked "why?"... he stated because she spoke poor English and was a Dane... (BELLS go off in my head)....

I aske people at GPWA about Tortex and learn that he, too, is a Dane... makes me wonder. So I ask Tortex about the "Dane angle" and he became upset... Mystery grows...

THEN I see a blood bath at WOL over this subject, with Tortex in the middle. So I watch and wait and listen to what's said. Again, the ONLY player issue discussed here is the $3,000 supposedly owed to this Dane player. I see post after post of "webmasters" and "players" bashing these casinos. When I check the information on their posts, what do I see? That 70% of the people doing the bashing signed up in the last week or two... and that these were their only posts in the whole forum. Hmmm...

Now, I have been promoting these guys a good long while. And I am probably one of the more accessable webmasters on the web... ever try getting in touch with Shaun? Jason? Or anyone else at a portal (with the notible exception of Mr.Meister, again)? I have sent almost 100 players to three of these casinos this year... and I have NOT received ONE COMPLAINT. Not a one.

Jyde - FYI, I have dropped many a casino that was paying me well and on-time. Do not confuse my ethics with other webmasters moral vacancies.

Jetset - The APCW never makes a claim to be any sort of ethical organization. If you bothered to read the site you'd see that. The APCW is a tool to track casino performance and accuracy of their webmasters stats... I don't care if a member wants to promote CasinoBar... that's THEIR business... but it seems everyone on message boards like this REALLY likes getting their nose into others business.}

[jetset]

Boy, are you out of touch with what these bozos are really pulling - and there is more than ample evidence to back up Jyde's statement above - I've seen it and it implicates Wager 21, Directnetpay and these casinos. I believe it is also documented elsewhere on this site.

BTW Jyde is a tireless mediator who has managed to get many, many players of all nationalities paid without reward of any kind for himself.

As to your not getting any complaints, perhaps you should take the time to look at this board (a real watchdog webmaster) and WOL - you'll find a few and they are certainly not all Danes.

I read the copy on your new association very thoroughly btw - I am well aware that its goal is not to assist players, nor did I say it would.

There are a number of people on this and other good boards who try to help players who have been stiffed and ask for assistance. That's not "sticking their noses into other people's business" as you put it - that's trying to get fair dealing from questionable casinos.

[integrity]

Jetset,

You can clearly see I never called Jydes mediation prowess into question. I'm sure he's a great mediator...

I, however, am a businessman. I go by what I see, and my experience shows no complaints and over $40,000 in deposits this year... that's a lot of cash from unhappy players who keep depositing money.

I have tested this casino group and played there myself. I had several buddies of mine play there, too... all found what I did: Easy to deposit... easy to withraw... Easy to play. My friend in Texas cashed out a couple hundred and has a check in ten days.

The main posters here are the same posters I see at WOL, so cookie-cutter something else for me. Most posts look suspect to me in regard to this group, and at risk of making a silly pun, something smells rotten in Denmark.

So why me? Why do you people always focus on my portal? Go after CasinoCashJourney... Go after GreedyHog... Go after Gambling.com for the love of gawd. They all deliver more hits to GoldBetting than I do. What has you hung up on me?

And while you answer that, show me some of this evidence. Post something solid. I am always just supposed to take your word and happily do what you reccommend... *blah blah blah*

And by the way... wanna triumph a cause? Get CasinoProphet to pull his StarLucks advertising.