Tower Gaming Doesnt Pay me for 3 months

[rikkerbuddy]

I don't work for tower or know were he works out of. I am sure there are many Canadians on this forum.
I did receive your PM thank you - but you did not give me your info? I know some Russian and Latvian affiliates who are my friends. And if you are bruno parsons you for months told me i would get my money that you had no money issues - you told me to keep promoting stryyke to my players when you kne they were going down the drain. all people have to do is plug in 2+2 your name and stryyke.
I really don't know what your deal is but if you promote RB on ongame you get closed down.

[dominique]

I said you site promotes the Casino,

From all i know you are a moderator at the site. But once again, this has nothing to do with you

THIS IS ABOUT ME NOT GETTING PAID FROM TOWER GAMING

Well, thank you, I am glad you see it has nothing to do with me.

The site - you mean CAP and not my site? Why didn't you just say so? We went around in circles here.

CAP is not my site, I am a volunteer moderator there.

GamesandCasino is my site and it does not carry Stryyke, and I am glad you see it's irrelevant anyways.

[multirake]

I don't think I have ever seen a check from Tower, and that isn't why they are listed. Like I said, they are listed because they do well by players by all accounts.

thats interesting free media deals

[dominique]

I don't have a media deal with Tower. Or many of the places I list either.

If they pass inspection, they get listed. If they don't, they don't.

But I thought this had nothing to do with me?

I am going to call it a day, I have spoken my mind about this.

That Bruno Parsons from Stryyke would come crying foul for not being paid for stealing players from other affiliates and for promoting rakeback on a non-rakeback platform - there is enough irony in that to keep me for months.

That you expect support from other affiliates is even more amazing.

What do you think we are, complete fools?

And accusing Rikkerbuddy of working for Tower because he lives in Canada is pathetic.

[multirake]

They should get you for jacking threads lol. First you speak of ethics and you close my thread at CAP, ok i get it, They are promoted on the site and you want to keep everything hush hush.

Once again this is not about you or even me for that matter. I know i wont get the money to pay the player. At the end of the day, these poker companies make a killing, i know because i worked for them. So the affiliate promises the player a deal, some people play for fun and others play regular and this is a career. There has been too much of these scams happening. I had one player that raked over 15k.

So if you think its ok to do this , i guess you must be a tool, well atleast a well paid tool by Tower.

Plus i never seen an affiliate manager lie directly to their affiliates.

I received over 3 emails of him telling me that the payment was processed.

This is ridiculous

[Casinomeister]

@multirake

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[vinylweatherman]

They should get you for jacking threads lol. First you speak of ethics and you close my thread at CAP, ok i get it, They are promoted on the site and you want to keep everything hush hush.

Once again this is not about you or even me for that matter. I know i wont get the money to pay the player. At the end of the day, these poker companies make a killing, i know because i worked for them. So the affiliate promises the player a deal, some people play for fun and others play regular and this is a career. There has been too much of these scams happening. I had one player that raked over 15k.

So if you think its ok to do this , i guess you must be a tool, well atleast a well paid tool by Tower.

Plus i never seen an affiliate manager lie directly to their affiliates.

I received over 3 emails of him telling me that the payment was processed.

This is ridiculous

This whole issue shows the industry in a very bad light indeed. Even if you CAN promote with rakeback if you first get approval, this STILL disadvantages those affiliates who have NOT got approval for this, or even know such an "under the counter" deal could be available.

It also looks as though even these "approved" rakeback deals are being hidden from Ongame, who have a blanket policy of not allowing them.

This player who generated 15K, was this the same one you & David conspired to steal from another affiliate, provided it wasn't noticed?

NO honest affiliate is going to side with another who has knowingly accepted a deal whereby players are stolen from lesser affiliates, and put on his account.

If David Visser is offering such deals, and is a DIRECTOR of Tower Gaming, this IS a serious matter, but NOT for the reasons you think it is, but because he is offering "illegal" deals to favoured affiliates to the disadvantage of "regular" affiliates.

Ongame may have found out because you checked out some of David's lies with them, the ones about you being blacklisted.
Maybe when Ongame lit a fire under David's a$$ over this, he decided to screw YOU to save is own a$$, by saying he only recently found out you were promoting rakeback in the hope Ongame would believe this, and not levy a fine. In order to make this story credible, David cannot now just PAY you, or Ongame might ask why he paid an affiliate he has just discovered acting in breach of the terms.

You MAY get paid eventually to "go away", rather than continue to dig this issue over. David is likely to be more careful in future.

To pursue this further as a matter of "public interest" you will need PROOF that David was indeed behind these deals, AND that they were illegal under network rules. This would demonstrate to others that David is not a good person to deal with, and may even result in Ongame taking further action over this.

Plus i never seen an affiliate manager lie directly to their affiliates.

On the plus side, you have CLEARLY never been an affiliate for the Virtual Casino Group

[spiderlegz]

Under the counter deals happen all the time. The only reason some networks dont like it is because their other clients complain. Usually this is circumvented with other types of affiliate promos.

And it makes total sense to treat affiliates differently. The big ones will always get better deals simply because they send more highraking players. A bit different than being a casino affiliate, a small site has a hard time competing against big ones.
What would you take? Just a bonus or bonus+RB+rakeraces and points to buy stuff in their store.

MG/Prima is also a non-RB network and still some players have up to 60% RB, and I know on which site.

On to this problem. It makes Tower and David Visser look really bad. They can expect a nice fine from Ongame. On iPoker they would probably have been kicked out.
Edit: they should just pay. Or should have already, now it will cost them much more.

[vinylweatherman]

Under the counter deals happen all the time. The only reason some networks dont like it is because their other clients complain. Usually this is circumvented with other types of affiliate promos.

And it makes total sense to treat affiliates differently. The big ones will always get better deals simply because they send more highraking players. A bit different than being a casino affiliate, a small site has a hard time competing against big ones.
What would you take? Just a bonus or bonus+RB+rakeraces and points to buy stuff in their store.

MG/Prima is also a non-RB network and still some players have up to 60% RB, and I know on which site.

On to this problem. It makes Tower and David Visser look really bad. They can expect a nice fine from Ongame. On iPoker they would have been kicked out.

There is a difference between a "better" deal and an "illegal" one. IF the network has a blanket policy of "no rakeback", it should apply to ALL affiliate accounts. Big affiliates who produce more for the skin can be offered a bigger commission, but this becomes unethical when these "illegal" deals freeze out the smaller affiliates who are simply NOT ALLOWED to compete for players on the same terms as the large ones. It implies that the ONLY way to become a big affiliate is to "play dirty", and in terms of US law, this would fall under "anti trust" legislation I believe, whilst here it would attract the attentions of the Competition Commission. Both sets of legislation adhere to the principle of a "level playing field" in inter-business competition for contracts, customers, and in this case, players.

Casino affiliates DO get a "better" deal for attracting more profitable play to the casino. Commission on hold increases on a sliding scale. For example, it might start at 20%, but increase to 35% for affiliates whose players generate several thousands of hold on a regular basis. The difference here is that this is OPENLY available to ALL affiliates, it formas part of the terms of the contract, and is NOT an "under the counter" deal negotiated with favoured affiliates.

There ARE however some programs that will offer some affiliates "special advertising deals" that they can use to attract players. This is again a disadvantage to those affiliates not favoured, but at least the program is not breaking it's OWN contract with it's network to offer such deals. The problem with this case is that this deal did not just disadvantage lesser affiliates, it was a breach of the contract between Tower Gaming and Ongame to even offer such a deal.
Just like fraudulent players/affiliates in the casino industry, it goes on, but there is little sympathy when those involved get "their fingers burned" when things turn sour.

[multirake]

This player who generated 15K, was this the same one you & David conspired to steal from another affiliate, provided it wasn't noticed?

NO honest affiliate is going to side with another who has knowingly accepted a deal whereby players are stolen from lesser affiliates, and put on his account.

If David Visser is offering such deals, and is a DIRECTOR of Tower Gaming, this IS a serious matter, but NOT for the reasons you think it is, but because he is offering "illegal" deals to favoured affiliates to the disadvantage of "regular" affiliates.

Ongame may have found out because you checked out some of David's lies with them, the ones about you being blacklisted.
Maybe when Ongame lit a fire under David's a$$ over this, he decided to screw YOU to save is own a$$, by saying he only recently found out you were promoting rakeback in the hope Ongame would believe this, and not levy a fine. In order to make this story credible, David cannot now just PAY you, or Ongame might ask why he paid an affiliate he has just discovered acting in breach of the terms.

You MAY get paid eventually to "go away", rather than continue to dig this issue over. David is likely to be more careful in future.

To pursue this further as a matter of "public interest" you will need PROOF that David was indeed behind these deals, AND that they were illegal under network rules. This would demonstrate to others that David is not a good person to deal with, and may even result in Ongame taking further action over this.

On the plus side, you have CLEARLY never been an affiliate for the Virtual Casino Group

Hey

The player you speak of was tracked to another affiliate and after speaking to David the player was transferred into my affiliate account


I have made a print screen of the chats we had and i have forward it to Ongame this is why the entire mood changed. Before i received an email saying that i was going to be paid, I think i been a pretty patient person.

I had back surgery and over a period of 3 months all those false promises never came true. My players didnt receive the bonus and payments were not processed and when you try to contact them, either offline or you never got a reply back over the email.

All the information that i have is recorded for proof, what really annoys me is that this guy after all of this had the courage to say i fabricated the material. After i sent all the information to his Network, i guess he was singing a different song.

Having worked in the industry, you learn that not all affiliates are treated the same. By this i mean the deals you offer them, most sites offer higher rev or cpa to affiliates that produce higher income for the site and i think its only natural.

A person with 1 player is not going to get a 60-70% gross deal. But at the end of the day, what happened to being a man of your word? This would never happen if the guy was simply doing his job.

I mean, all he had to do is be honest. I received over 4 emails that my payment was processed and that the player bonus situation was fixed. Only to find out its a lie .

I guess at one point, enough is enough.