What I've learn't about online poker software

[pissedoff]

Ok..............let's get it out in the open. Poker software is NOT random. We all know it.

All the talk from poker sites about random number generators is bumpkin!!! They won't admit it......because it would seriously hurt their business. Random number shufflers are only required to perform what the software instructs.

Poker software operates as a set of instructions. Whatever is written into the software, it will perform. It does not understand randomness, because true randomness cannot be written.

For example, if I was to write into the program for AA to be successful only 33% of the time, that's what it will do. If i was to write in to the program that an allin bet will win 85%, that's what it will do. It doesn't matter what cards are against it, or what position you are in pre-flop, turn or river. The only time you can be sure that there is no more software interferance is after the river card.

Poker software is a goldmine for poker sites. It is designed in a way to ensure that even the most inexperienced player can win. And that's what they want. If only good players won, then these sites would lose millions. Poor to average players would not come back. So in order to ensure a constant loyalty, the software will ensure for example, that AA is 'cracked' 77% of the time, depending on the instructions written into the software. For example, if I was the chip leader and had AA. I raise 3 times the big blind. A player with less chips, goes allin. Now you call. You find that the allin has KQ. What's the bet that KQ will beat you!

How many times do you see an allin win with the worst card possible time and time again??? That's the software for you. Cards you see played online would hardly ever be played in live games. But because players see the most incredible' suck-outs' time and time again, players are willing to take a chance, relying on their knowledge of past experiences to put their tourney on the line.

How many times do you see players call a big bet with nothing? So far behind that it is impossible to comprehend the madness. But they do, because they know that the software is very receptive to callers, allinners and players with less chips.

There are many hands I would never play online because you hardly ever win with them. Such as A10,Q10, K10 or anything with a 10 in it( Although I have noticed that if you have A10, it usually cames out a stra8). KJ, suited A rags, and to a lesser extent, JJ, 1010. There are just so many patterns associated with software interferance. And how many times have you noticed pocket pair protection????

You can also see the software at work as the tourney gets nearer to the end, for instance, hands that were winning earlier, seem to lose more frequently and allinners won't win the high percentage as they used to.

So if you play online, in the low stakes range, you are really relying on the 'triggers' within the software to be in your favour. At the high end, players are unlikely to suffer as bad because they will respect position raises and strong play.

[Senfgnu]

Come back with a database of 1,000,000+ hands, analyze it and i will listen.
All i can read in your post is no hard evidence. It is the standard
"Oh, AA cracked - rigged"
"I can't beat low stakes - rigged"
"OMG bad beat - rigged"-thing i read all day in poker forums.

Let me have a look in my low/micro stakes database (only 136,578 hands):

P(AA win)= .819 - i run really good, this should be lower.
Low stakes: yes, i win there. No, i did not bribe iPoker's software developers.
Bad Beats: In the borders of probability.

At the high end, players are unlikely to suffer as bad because they will respect position raises and strong play.

No good player respects position raises.

There are many hands I would never play online because you hardly ever win with them. Such as A10,Q10, K10 or anything with a 10 in it( Although I have noticed that if you have A10, it usually cames out a stra8). KJ, suited A rags

There is a reason why you don't win with AT, KT, QT, KJ. They are not good enough to win. You have to make two pair+ to feel good with them.

[pissedoff]

And obviously you have no understanding of programming.

But your naive comments obviously sit well with poker sites - and they just love stupid players!

[same_old]

Hi Pissedoff,

Buddy after the AB scandal and such do you think they would bother with the loss of potential clients and bad publicity over small clients such as ourselves.

If what you are saying is true ( which im not denying it isnt, but you always need proof) then it wouldnt be with the smaller stakes, they will go for the big fish mate.

The company makes money from us smaller ones to generate the bigger clientele.

[Senfgnu]

If a site is programmed to crack AA 50% of the time it is very easy for you to prove this. All you need is PokerTracker/Holem Manager/Poker Office/whatever.
If a site is programmed to let you lose big pots with AA - easy to prove.
Show me you have to win big with AT/KT/QT/KJ.
Just show me something and don't just call me a stupid player.

Not even AP was rigged - a player could see all holecards and was able to play perfect.

And obviously you have no understanding of programming.

This one made me laugh actually.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by pissedoff

And obviously you have no understanding of programming.

But your naive comments obviously sit well with poker sites - and they just love stupid players!

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[pissedoff]

A wise man once said:

"to deny what is obvious, is a man's worst enemy"

But you believe what you want Bud

[shadow123]

Originally Posted by pissedoff

And obviously you have no understanding of programming.

But your naive comments obviously sit well with poker sites - and they just love stupid players!

1) how do you know he has no knowledge of programming?

2) he gives you comments based on real data, not suppostions and you ignore them.

3) you didnt get the support you expected from your post so its toys out the pram time.

4) I am guessing you have not been doing too well playing poker lately

[pissedoff]

I've had my say. I don't really care what you think.............but it is naive players like you that will always encourage sites to manipulate the software, tell lies about randomness and rip off players.

And as for my form.................I've taken more out than lost.

But having played live for many years, I can tell what is random and what is not and I don't need an understanding of software or 1,000,000 hands to know the obvious.

Maybe you need a reality check. it wouldn't hurt...........possibly enlighten you.

[shadow123]

You do make a lot of assumptions.
I have been programming for the gaming industry for almost 30 years, so naive I am not and as a player I see both sides and am quite aware of what can be done if the casino operator/software provider/rogue programmer wish to do it.The fact something can be done is no proof that it is being done.
I respect your viewpoint that in your opinion online poker play is not the same as the real thing and there have been cases to support that in the past but your comments to replies to your post dont promote any intelligent discussion on the subject,you just dismiss anyone who questions your statements as naive casino fodder.
You would do far better if you realized that the members here are mostly very intellegent and expeirenced players who are only too willing to help and advise others.