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If those players think those sites are rigged then they shouldn't be playing at all. Normally most low stake table or tourney play like a donkey. They pretty much call with anything. I have my AA cracked every now and then. Like slow play with pocket AA. My mistake. I learn from it. It doesn't means it rigged.
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If I was a poker room owner, I would rather have a table full of Sharks, as opposed to having a table full of Fish...
Sharks pay out far more in Rake than the fish do over time. Think about it, the Sharks goal and the poker rooms goal are the same.. to get the biggest pots possible. So what would be the point of manipulating the RNG to help the fish? All you would do is drive the Sharks(your best source of steady income) to another poker room As has already been pointed out, if a poker room wanted to cheat... the easiest way would be to just set up super user accounts that are able to view the hole cards... Like AP/UB did. So I ask again... What would be the point of manipulation the RNG?
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Conspiracy theorists unite!
To start, no, I don't believe that poker sites are rigged in the way that has been described.
So far, all the arguments provided have been anecdotal mixed with conspiracy theory as to motive. OK, having played a fair deal of low limit poker online and at B&Ms, my subjective anecdotal experience is that there is no appreciable difference between the two games. I have been on both sides of bad beats/suckouts in both settings on many occasions, and there is no appreciable difference in frequency on these occurences. Now, what makes your subjective experience more valid than mine? I can flame just as loudly as anyone else (but I won't because that will violate the forum rules). That doesnt prove anything. Does it make sense for a poker room to do this? Well, for one thing, its much easier to program a fair game than a non-fair game (BTW, I have a BA in Computer Science and was a programmer for a number of years). To program a fair game, you just need to generate an order for 52 cards based on a "random" number (more on that later), and then program the normal rules of poker. To program an unfair game, you need to either manually program a number of card sequences, factoring in how many hands are being played, and make sure you generate enough sequences so that it isnt noticable that the same exact hands keep coming up. Alternatively, you can come up with some very sophisticated algorithm to deal out certain cards based on various situations. Being able to generate something sophisticated enough to not be noticed would take many more hours than just programming a fair game. Yes, there is no such thing as a "random" number generated by a computer, but the "random number" generators today are so sophisticated that no human could possibly determine a pattern. Furthermore, in a brick and mortar casino, the shuffle by hand or by mechanical shuffler is hardly "random". Just read about Blackjack players who can track cards despite shuffling to see the fallacy involved there. Consider that in a B&M casino, since people with bad hands will muck first and people with good hands will stay in the hands longer, good cards and bad cards will tend to clump together before the shuffle. If anything, a computer generated "Random number" is much closer to the real thing than mechanical shuffling. So why do people think that online gambling is rigged. There are many reasons, but I will advance one reason that has been advanced many times before, but this does not make it any less true. People tend to remember bad beats and forget the "normal" hands. Furthermore, people aren't going to remember when they have pocket Aces and everyone mucked by the turn. They only remember the hands that go to showdown, and those are self-selected to have more suckouts. When a person plays online poker, they see way more hands than in a B&M casino. Firstly, the gameplay is much faster. Secondly, they likely spend a lot more hours playing. Think about it. You plan a trip to Vegas, but how many hours are you actually playing versus travelling, eating, shows, etc. But online poker, people sit for hours and just play. Hungry? Just get something from the fridge and play. Something on TV? That won't stop you from playing at the same time. When you see many more hands in online poker, you are going to experience more bad beats, and you are going to assume that there is something wrong with online poker as opposed to realizing that you've seen more bad beats because you've played more hands. Finally, just remember, most B&M casinos have bad beat jackpots, and yes Virginia, they actually do pay them out on a regular basis. |
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As for your example its called GAMBLING! even though poker is predominately skill you will still occasionally lose with Aces, what do you expect to win everytime you got aces?If that was the case then there should be a new rule that Aces automatically win but that would be just stupid on the other hand i bet you don't complain when you have KQ and beat Aces oh no its not rigged then is it and you happily cash out thinking how great a player you are. I mean seriously if you go all in with Pocket Aces you don't want anyone to call?If you seriously think that then good luck to you in your poker career because you need it. Quote:
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Are you aware that pretty much all respected sites have had their random generator independently audited? You can find these audit reports on the poker websites. Also if what you say is true we wouldn't have consistant winners and professional players. I have played probably 2 million hands in my career and I have steadily won over that time period. Everything about card distribution has seemed totally random to me. Furthermore, with sites suchs as tableratings recording pretty much every hand played on the big sites, any non random pattern would be easily noticeable. Some players have databases containing millinos of hands of their own play and nothing suspicious has ever been found. Clearly what you talk about is possible, but it is certainly not being done on any major site. I doubt it is being done on any small site. If anything, a small cheating site would rig the games in favor of a house player, rather than the weaker players. |
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Blah blah blah, you are just a poor loser, blah blah blah, you must be a fish, blah blah blah, poker sites have no reason to cheat, blah blah blah, the random generator works just fine, blah blah blah, I could tell if the cards were not normal, blah blah blah, online you see more hands, blah blah blah, blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
Guess none of you heard about the Absolute poker scandal..... Or did you have that site pegged, and just never played there? Naivete is so cute!
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