I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged

[ThodorisK]

Yesterday I tried the first deposit bonus at a well known pokeroom and casino. It is also accredited in casinomeister. I dont know how many hands I played, as when I tried to check out my hand history, it was almost unreadable. However judging from the promotion points I earned, and considering I played at 0.15-0.30$ no limit, I guess I played about 120 hands in which I placed bets in the pot: Again the same story of ripoff.

Now, it was a mistake of mine that as an evidence of cheating, I had ended up into observing the number of how many of my strong hands win, over the number of how many of them lose. As I saw yesterday, and remembered from all my play in the other casinos, I had quite a few very strong flop hands in which everybody else folded even at preflop, but I lost almost all of my money when I was holding a three of a kind and a flush, but the other ONE opponent got something better. Examples, I had Q8diamonds, I got the flush with the ace of diamonds on the table, but the other one had the king of diamonds (everyone else had folded at the preflop I think). Another case: I had three of a kind, but the other one had a straight on the turn. Another case: I had three of the kind but the other one had a flush at the river with only three of the same suit on the table (and he betted big even at the flop) Another case: I had ace king, I flopped a king, but the other having KJ got a J at the turn and made two pairs. Many more same cases happened, in less than 120 hands that I followed betting or initiated betting at the flop. Oh, I had two full houses and other strong hands and everyone folded, even at preflop.

So they let your strong hands win quite a few times, so that their statistics seem ok, but you win nothing on them. This way, you cannot prove that you were cheated, as one can claim that you just win small when you win and lose big when you lose, and so you lost only because you are a crap player. But I bet my life that the best poker player of the world would had lost if played in my place.

Threes of the kind, staights and flushes, two pairs, and even top pairs at the flop coming from the best 20% of preflop cards, are bound to produce profit, instead of big losses, even in a low sample of 100 draws, no matter how bad player one is. Because EVEN the 20% of the preflop hands have a very high “expected value” WHEN PLAYED BY AN AVERAGE PLAYER (see http://www.pokerroom.com/poker/poker...by-players.php). Imagine then how high the expected value is, of these preflop hands (WHEN PLAYED BY AN AVERAGE PLAYER) when they succeed in getting a top pair (or even better, e.g. three of a kind) at the flop.
The expected value then is so high, that the variance of poker cannot be the reason for losing a very large bankroll playing with pennies. I have played thousands of hands in other casinos. It cannot happen only to me that I have strong hands when the others have stronger. Sometimes at least, it must also happen to others that they have strong hands when I have stronger. But it almost never happens to another, whereas it almost always happens to me.

And the losses because of the rake and the post blinds were negligible compared to that of crushing of my very strong hands.

Perhaps I will purchase Pokertracker and let the casinos know this before I play again. Perhaps if I warn them beforehand that I am ready to post or give out everywhere the results of my play, will make them think twice before they cheat me again. And if they do cheat me, I am prepared to lose some money to ruin their reputation by giving out the results. I am checking now to see if the analysis of pokertracker is in anyway cabaple of finding the type of cheating I met.

Some members rushed quickly to give me bad reputation points giving various reasons, but they are affiliates trying to close my mouth. I dont think the rest of the 800 people reading my thread were annoyed by my writings. They also try to degrade my arguments, but my arguments are not directed to stupid people. And clever people will suspect the intention of these members.

[lots0]

ThodorisK your a bad poker player...

STOP PLAYING POKER

or take some time and learn the game...

Your going to continue to lose money at any Poker room you play at, even the land based poker rooms.... Because you obviously don't understand the game of Poker, so just stop playing or at the very least stop whining about losing...

As I said before, No one likes a whiny Poker Loser.

I got news for you, bad poker players are going to lose most every hand, just like ThodorisK said he did... even when they flop monsters...

You know I can't even count how many times I have lost a hand when I had Pocket Bullets or Kings...... BECAUSE I PLAYED THEM WRONG, not because the game was cheating me.

ThodorisK as long as you continue to put forth your unsubstantiated stories about 'cheating' your going to continue to get bad Rep points here.... Because the people in this forum are really not stupid and a lot of the people here do play Poker all the time and a several of the people around here play poker for a living... Which would be impossible to do if the poker rooms were cheating players...

In poker, the best hand does not always win, but whoever played the hand best, always wins...

So wise up and learn the game or provide some "proof" of cheating...
or shut the fuck up.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

...Some members rushed quickly to give me bad reputation points giving various reasons, but they are affiliates trying to close my mouth. I dont think the rest of the 800 people reading my thread were annoyed by my writings. They also try to degrade my arguments, but my arguments are not directed to stupid people. And clever people will suspect the intention of these members.

For the record, ThodorisK received bad rep points from two members - I would have counted three, but one member hasn't been here long enough so his "rep power" is zero.

Two of these people are webmasters - one is an affiliate. Please don't confuse webmasters with affiliates. The first bad rep you received was for making two near identical threads instead of one, so it had nothing to do with the content.

So to say that affiliates are trying to close your mouth is pretty much far from the truth. If you want your points back, you can always start making posts that people find helpful or constructive. A simple "thanks" is worth five points. Three of these would get you out of the hole.

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

Yesterday I tried the first deposit bonus at a well known pokeroom and casino. It is also accredited in casinomeister. I dont know how many hands I played, as when I tried to check out my hand history, it was almost unreadable. However judging from the promotion points I earned, and considering I played at 0.15-0.30$ no limit, I guess I played about 120 hands in which I placed bets in the pot: Again the same story of ripoff.

Now, it was a mistake of mine that as an evidence of cheating, I had ended up into observing the number of how many of my strong hands win, over the number of how many of them lose. As I saw yesterday, and remembered from all my play in the other casinos, I had quite a few very strong flop hands in which everybody else folded even at preflop, but I lost almost all of my money when I was holding a three of a kind and a flush, but the other ONE opponent got something better. Examples, I had Q8diamonds, I got the flush with the ace of diamonds on the table, but the other one had the king of diamonds (everyone else had folded at the preflop I think). Another case: I had three of a kind, but the other one had a straight on the turn. Another case: I had three of the kind but the other one had a flush at the river with only three of the same suit on the table (and he betted big even at the flop) Another case: I had ace king, I flopped a king, but the other having KJ got a J at the turn and made two pairs. Many more same cases happened, in less than 120 hands that I followed betting or initiated betting at the flop. Oh, I had two full houses and other strong hands and everyone folded, even at preflop.

So they let your strong hands win quite a few times, so that their statistics seem ok, but you win nothing on them. This way, you cannot prove that you were cheated, as one can claim that you just win small when you win and lose big when you lose, and so you lost only because you are a crap player. But I bet my life that the best poker player of the world would had lost if played in my place.

Threes of the kind, staights and flushes, two pairs, and even top pairs at the flop coming from the best 20% of preflop cards, are bound to produce profit, instead of big losses, even in a low sample of 100 draws, no matter how bad player one is. Because EVEN the 20% of the preflop hands have a very high “expected value” WHEN PLAYED BY AN AVERAGE PLAYER (see http://www.pokerroom.com/poker/poker...by-players.php). Imagine then how high the expected value is, of these preflop hands (WHEN PLAYED BY AN AVERAGE PLAYER) when they succeed in getting a top pair (or even better, e.g. three of a kind) at the flop.
The expected value then is so high, that the variance of poker cannot be the reason for losing a very large bankroll playing with pennies. I have played thousands of hands in other casinos. It cannot happen only to me that I have strong hands when the others have stronger. Sometimes at least, it must also happen to others that they have strong hands when I have stronger. But it almost never happens to another, whereas it almost always happens to me.

And the losses because of the rake and the post blinds were negligible compared to that of crushing of my very strong hands.

Perhaps I will purchase Pokertracker and let the casinos know this before I play again. Perhaps if I warn them beforehand that I am ready to post or give out everywhere the results of my play, will make them think twice before they cheat me again. And if they do cheat me, I am prepared to lose some money to ruin their reputation by giving out the results. I am checking now to see if the analysis of pokertracker is in anyway cabaple of finding the type of cheating I met.

Some members rushed quickly to give me bad reputation points giving various reasons, but they are affiliates trying to close my mouth. I dont think the rest of the 800 people reading my thread were annoyed by my writings. They also try to degrade my arguments, but my arguments are not directed to stupid people. And clever people will suspect the intention of these members.

You fail to understand bankroll management.

Stronger hands do have the potential to bust a player if they do not have sufficient funds to cover these losses. Theory, they are more difficult to fold even when the other players betting suggests they have caught a deceptive hand.

Your theory contradicts another popular myth - that short stacks always get the lucky beats to keep the rake flowing.

I never dropped youre reputation points although I do disagree with your point
of view.

In the long run the strength of betting will dictate how likely a strong hand will lose.

Do you allow other players a cheap flop?

Do you allow players the chance of a flush draw?

Do you bet too weakly?

Maybe just bet your hands out a little stronger. Who cares if you win the pot there and then? You will encounter less bad beats. With a little more experience you will learn how to get the most profit from a given hand.

I suggest you use your stats experience and use that to push out drawing hands, Ie if they call your raise, they have made a mistake. Just keep playing that way and you will win more often with these stronger hands

[WAYLANDER]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

Examples, I had Q8diamonds, I got the flush with the ace of diamonds on the table, but the other one had the king of diamonds (everyone else had folded at the preflop I think).

not exactly a rare occurrence

Another case: I had three of a kind, but the other one had a straight on the turn.

again..not exactly a rare occurrence

Another case: I had three of the kind but the other one had a flush at the river with only three of the same suit on the table (and he betted big even at the flop)

guess what... not exactly a rare occurrence

Another case: I had ace king, I flopped a king, but the other having KJ got a J at the turn and made two pairs.

can you guess what i think here....

Many more same cases happened, in less than 120 hands that I followed betting or initiated betting at the flop. Oh, I had two full houses and other strong hands and everyone folded, even at preflop.

.

This is not unusual in 120 hands of poker, 120 hands of poker where you are actually seeing flops is quite a bit play, and if these are the only bad beats you got then i would say you were probably on the better side of variance.
The best hand in poker doesnt always win !

WAYLANDER

[ThodorisK]

120 hands where I initiated or followed bets at the flop. But this happened just yesterday, I have played thousands such hands with the same happening, at William Hill, Sportingbet, 888.com, and the 120 hands were form Interpoker.

[pokeraddict]

I played for 9 hours in Deadwood yesterday as there are tons of bikers in town for Sturgis. I lost AA that made a set twice and KK twice. The hands that beat me were all garbage. Should I blame the dealer? Was he dealing from the bottom? Was he friends with the drunken biker that beat me? Was the house in on it to generate more rake?

STOP GAMBLING!

BTW A 120 hand sample is useless.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

120 hands where I initiated or followed bets at the flop. But this happened just yesterday, I have played thousands such hands with the same happening, at William Hill, Sportingbet, 888.com, and the 120 hands were form Interpoker.

If you have documentation of every hand out of these "thousands", let's see it.

Talk is cheap, let's see your "proof".

[ThodorisK]

Yes, I have tried it all: slowplaying, agressive, and mixture of slowplaying and aggressive, using each of the 3 different strategies for thousands of hands, exactly in order to test the results. The results were that the more I wagered, the quicker i was losing.

Think of this: Suppose the management did indeed cheat, either manually or with the appropriate software. What would be the indications of this cheating? I keep seeing these indications to the maximum degree for thousands of hands. If all the indications are happening to the maximum degree and still cheating cannot be proven, then it never will, unless we hear confessions from inside the management.

One more strange indication:Yesterday, when I was playing in 3 tables, there were all full (6 players in each). After I left, 3 more players left immediatelly from each one of these 3 tables! This was another terrifying ... coincedence.

What can I say! Arent they scared that if their cheating is ever revealed they are going to lose all customers? Perhaps they know that people will still be playing even if they hear it every day on the TV news that all pokerooms cheat, and want to gamble even when knowing they are cheated.

[1819]

5 cards make up a hand. throw all the stats out the window. i love on t v when they have the statistical advantage displayed preflop. useless!! i love the morons who think the hole cards determine the hand. they dont. thod, i am not knocking you personally but you definitly have some homework to do. play at a live tourney. you might play 5 pots an hour excluding blinds. it's not like t v when they just show the best hands. some like to call everything but those are the guys who get smoked when garbage flops. play your big hole cards correctly, dont look to bust everyone with big hands, dont chase, and fold everything else and your game will improve. the disipline is being able to fold a good hand now and then. many atournament lost cause someone didnt want to lay down pocket q's. pride in poker kills!