I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged

[winbig]

Originally Posted by TDTAT

Thank you for posting, it is gross.

Very....

The most I've had in front of me in my life is $10,000. I couldn't imagine having - let alone losing - almost $300K in one hand

[TDTAT]

Originally Posted by winbig

Very....

The most I've had in front of me in my life is $10,000. I couldn't imagine having - let alone losing - almost $300K in one hand

I can tell you just watching it made my stomach turn...

the point is playing enough that it matters
to you ... then you know how you really play poker

those guys are pros because they do not consider the chips
money.. if they did they could not make those bets and could not
take the losses.. and remember Gus goes busted all the time
(never has trouble finding a backer)

[winbig]

yea....Gus loses quite a bit of the time on Full Tilt, but I never hear him yelling 'rigged'...what's up with that

[TDTAT]

Originally Posted by winbig

yea....Gus loses quite a bit of the time on Full Tilt, but I never hear him yelling 'rigged'...what's up with that

The cards do not need to break even for Gus to win!! He is a monster
and he has given so many awful beats he can't say anything

[ThodorisK]

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the very strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they make no profits, and thus that there are no winners in the long run. "Coincedentally" the advantage players experience an extreme negative variance (bad luck) that never stops. Hundreds, thousands of hands, nope, it never stops. Such extreme bad luck has less of 1% probability of happening, thus this is the statistical proof for cheating, as it did not happen only to me, but also to many others. These advantage players did not become losers because of the rake. Because if they had an average luck, they would make big profits, AFTER the rake is taken off.

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the very strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they make no profits, and thus that there are no winners in the long run. "Coincedentally" the advantage players experience an extreme negative variance (bad luck) that never stops. Hundreds, thousands of hands, nope, it never stops. Such extreme bad luck has less of 1% probability of happening, thus this is the statistical proof for cheating, as it did not happen only to me, but also to many others. These advantage players did not become losers because of the rake. Because if they had an average luck, they would make big profits, AFTER the rake is taken off.

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners.

Do you realize how STUPID that statement is? The rake online is the same, if not less (Bally's in Vegas and AC takes $4/pot max. Everywhere online that I've seen is $3 max. $3.50 for the Bad Beat tables @ Prima. They are dealing thousands of hands an hour (not counting the tournament tables), so they could give a rats ass about if someone's beating the rake or not. They're going to make a pretty hefty profit whether or not they get max rake for (most) every hand that's dealt.

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

Are you trying to get banned? This bullshit is getting pretty old.

[TDTAT]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

I understand your post, but I promote 99% online casinos,
so anyone playing online poker is losing to another
player, not the casino and therefore
I do not care if anyone plays online poker now... and would maybe
prefer they did not play poker

I used to play myself online and won on pokerstars,
I have no clue about other sites.. I hated Party..

If I thought it was really rigged as a whole I would say so..
I have noticed I am rather uninformed compared to many members
here though, so my posts really do not matter.

Stop playing online.. I will see you at the Bellagio one day
and we will have a strawberry julius

[TDTAT]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the very strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they make no profits, and thus that there are no winners in the long run. "Coincedentally" the advantage players experience an extreme negative variance (bad luck) that never stops. Hundreds, thousands of hands, nope, it never stops. Such extreme bad luck has less of 1% probability of happening, thus this is the statistical proof for cheating, as it did not happen only to me, but also to many others. These advantage players did not become losers because of the rake. Because if they had an average luck, they would make big profits, AFTER the rake is taken off.

I do not know about all this but it does make a little sense...

[peteyweestro]

dude your an idiot!!!

[bernynhel]

Originally Posted by ThodorisK

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and.

That's it! We're busted!! C'mon WinBig, Petey, time to pack up n go home. WTG Thod! Now how am I sposed to make the payments on my lifetime supply of Oh So Special Deep Tissue Massages by Mistress Zephyr-Lin/50% Happy Finish Guaranteed???