I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged

[malleeboy]

Originally Posted by winbig

Knowledge is the key to greater understanding. Blindness is preventable!

Maybe the force is no longer with you???

[GaryWatson]

Why did this thread come back? It managed to die for 3 months

[malleeboy]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

Why did this thread come back? It managed to die for 3 months

Being naive and having tunnel vision will always come back to haunt you. Look and accept the obvious and you will find peace

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by malleeboy

Being naive and having tunnel vision will always come back to haunt you. Look and accept the obvious and you will find peace

I know what I think but I am not going to state the obvious.

malleeboy. Did you know that rake is capped at a table? Usually around $3 per table. Did you know that you do not pay into the rake unless you play the hand? Did you know that its not advisable to play every hand? Had you been playing poker for 30 years you might not have the tunnel vision which appears to be haunting you. Do you realize that you are putting forward an argument without offering any more than that. Did you know that if you were a horse, you wouldnt need blinkers? Do you realize that in your feeble attempt to attack my point of view, you are making your own sound less creditable?

[malleeboy]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

I know what I think but I am not going to state the obvious.

malleeboy. Did you know that rake is capped at a table? Usually around $3 per table. Did you know that you do not pay into the rake unless you play the hand? Did you know that its not advisable to play every hand? Had you been playing poker for 30 years you might not have the tunnel vision which appears to be haunting you. Do you realize that you are putting forward an argument without offering any more than that. Did you know that if you were a horse, you wouldnt need blinkers? Do you realize that in your feeble attempt to attack my point of view, you are making your own sound less creditable?

You are a poor pitiful person. What is your point? My argument is based upon what is possible and what appears to be happening! You have not listened (or understood) what is being presented here.

Your attitude is poor and your level of understanding is weak at best! It is obvious that you lack the ability to understand anything but your point of view.

I'm afraid you have swallowed the online poker dribble hook, line and sinker!

PS Capped as you may say BUT......if (and what I see is so obvious), games are action heavy, more games per hour equals more rake per hour.....does it not??? Is that making any sense at all???

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by malleeboy

You are a poor pitiful person. What is your point? My argument is based upon what is possible and what appears to be happening! You have not listened (or understood) what is being presented here.

Your attitude is poor and your level of understanding is weak at best! It is obvious that you lack the ability to understand anything but your point of view.

I'm afraid you have swallowed the online poker dribble hook, line and sinker!

PS Capped as you may say BUT......if (and what I see is so obvious), games are action heavy, more games per hour equals more rake per hour.....does it not??? Is that making any sense at all???

My point is that you have no real argument & I will go as far to say that it is you who fails to see anothers point of view.

Yes, more games per hour could mean more rake per hour. That proves that online is played quicker than live games.

More action does not necessarily mean more rake. A standard table may fold around a table. A game loaded with action with all 10 players paying into the pot, each player throwing $1000 into the pot, will only pay 30c in rake each. The hand may take 5 minutes to complete, which only works out at 6c a minute in rake per person. That looks pretty good value for a 10k pot.

PS. I am not taking your posts seriously. If you come up with a better argument, I may listen but you are blinkered to the point, you think everyone else is. Tunnel vision as you call it.

[malleeboy]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

My point is that you have no real argument & I will go as far to say that it is you who fails to see anothers point of view.

Yes, more games per hour could mean more rake per hour. That proves that online is played quicker than live games.

More action does not necessarily mean more rake. A standard table may fold around a table. A game loaded with action with all 10 players paying into the pot, each player throwing $1000 into the pot, will only pay 30c in rake each. The hand may take 5 minutes to complete, which only works out at 6c a minute in rake per person. That looks pretty good value for a 10k pot.

PS. I am not taking your posts seriously. If you come up with a better argument, I may listen but you are blinkered to the point, you think everyone else is. Tunnel vision as you call it.

May I turn the argument back on you and say where is you evidence that there is no manipulation by the software? Just because sites operate gives no comfort to reputable enterprise! That is why we see so many of these sites operating offshore or Costa Rica. I think this forum and the need for casinomeister is enough evidence to prove my point. Besides I know what and how software is manipulted. Do you.?

Until you can have an open mind, I'm afraid beating a dead horse will achieve nothing

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by malleeboy

May I turn the argument back on you and say where is you evidence that there is no manipulation by the software?

The evidence is in the fact that they do not need to. It makes no sense to alter the play as it is. Rake may be a higher % of their bankroll to some people at lower stakes but the higher up you go, it tends to max out every hand anyway. Again if you play Hi/Low, the rake will likely max out every hand. Why try to manipulate a winning formula. It doesnt benefit anyone

[malleeboy]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

The evidence is in the fact that they do not need to. It makes no sense to alter the play as it is. Rake may be a higher % of their bankroll to some people at lower stakes but the higher up you go, it tends to max out every hand anyway. Again if you play Hi/Low, the rake will likely max out every hand. Why try to manipulate a winning formula. It doesnt benefit anyone

Gary, have you ever heard of the saying......."you cannot see the forest for the trees"? You are so blinded that you just cannot see the obvious! Again I stress to you, if all is above board as you say why do we have casinomeister?????

Now I want you to do a test for me. This will prove to you that the sites manipulate the games. I want you to play at Pokerstars. Can you do that for me? Just play the freerolls.OK

Now I want you to play Stud. I want you to pay particular notice to the cards you receive. Then after you are finished, I want you to play Razz. Again I want you to pay particular notice to the cards you receive.

According to you, if the cards have not been manipulated in anyway, you should receive similar cards in both games, am I right? My experience differs. In all the games I have played of each one I have found that quads and trips appear so often in Razz yet, appear to be missing in Stud! Now why would that be????

Now I want you to play two games of Hold'em at once. Keep both games open on the screen. My experience has shown some amazing patterns which include receiving at least one card the same in both games and noticing what appears on the board in one game rarely appears on the other, yet you have similar hands in both. Does that seem normal to you??

But what I find most frightening is the high level of predictability of outcomes after the flop after seeing players whole cards. This I cannot do in live games!

Online poker is no different to any software game in that in order to win you must first learn to master(cater to) its needs. There is no doubt that this is a form of trigger software, highly biased to encourage fast action and predictable outcomes.

Are you up to the challenge?


Oh and by the way, keep your eye on the cards you get whenever you are asked to "bring-in". Chances are you will never be able to play the hand once you get that honour - something that never seems to happen when i play both forms of the game live

[fatshaft]

Originally Posted by malleeboy

May I turn the argument back on you and say where is you evidence that there is no manipulation by the software? Just because sites operate gives no comfort to reputable enterprise! That is why we see so many of these sites operating offshore or Costa Rica. I think this forum and the need for casinomeister is enough evidence to prove my point. Besides I know what and how software is manipulted. Do you.?

Until you can have an open mind, I'm afraid beating a dead horse will achieve nothing

Well no it isn't, becasue Casinomeister was around and set-up in the days of online casinos (Someone correct me if I'm wrong).

At that time there were no online poker rooms, and nor were there any poker sections within the whole of the Casinomeister site.

It is only latterly that poker has come more into this site, but you will note, that despite the sterling work that the 'Meister does in outing and rogueing shady casino operations, in poker it is incredibly rare, with AP being one of the very few. Even then there hasn't been a single case found ever of a site in someway rigging its software.

As you would say, that does I think prove a point?